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Guest Darrell

Not sure if this should go here .If the bird DID come with the cross how rare would it be?

don

Wow ... a spange on a NON-Combatants EK2! You dont see that very often :jumping:

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WOW!!! So he got a non-comb. EKII in WW1 and another EKII in WW2. THAT is rare!!! I think 99,99 % of all non-comb. EKII 1914 recipients were awarded a KVK in WW2 because they usually had their non-combatant "job" in both wars.

Not sure if this should go here .If the bird DID come with the cross how rare would it be?

don

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WOW!!! So he got a non-comb. EKII in WW1 and another EKII in WW2. THAT is rare!!! I think 99,99 % of all non-comb. EKII 1914 recipients were awarded a KVK in WW2 because they usually had their non-combatant "job" in both wars.

He would have had to have been a combatant in WW2 to get the clasp. That is they way I understand it anyway~

Warm regards

Paul

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Guest Brian von Etzel

Brian,

Is that a Chinese route marker or border marker from the Boxer Rebellion? It looks to be made of Marble or something similar. AOK "Armee Oberkommando"?

Dan Murphy

...doesn't take you guys long does it? Good job Daniel.

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robin-don't keep us in suspense!

is a full shot possible?

daniel - that's a beauty, and reminiscent of

the phenomenal work the imperial russian

jewellers were capable of!

brian- magnificent!

don- i'd LOVE to have that in my

collection. it would be great to know what

the circumstances were surrounding its'

bestowal.

i feel like a kid in a candy store.... :blush:

joe

Edited by joe campbell

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Guest Brian von Etzel

Here is the best photo I have been able to get of the markings. As you can see this is my avatar as well.

Dan Murphy

IPB Image

Dietrich has a microscope that would leave you with no doubts.

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Joe

I picked it up at a local show in the mid 90s.From a well know dealer at the time.I was talking to his

son this summer and he remembers the cross.He said his dad got it with a iron cross collection

he purcased from the USA.As far as he knew the bird came with the ribbon and was not a

ad on.I would love to have more info on it. Joe...I paid 100 canadian for it :cheers:

don

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andreas-

would you be so kind as to give some background

for this PLM?

recipient?

date of manufacture?

etc.

i am wading through "prussian blue",

but am still in the introductory chapters.

my thanks,

joe

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This Pour le M?rite is missing (among others) in the newest attempt to summaries this high Prussian order decoration.

It is made from enamel/porcelain and gold. The lettering is/was embedded in the enamel, which one can easily see due to the unfortunate crack.

I do not have a name that would go with this example, but am lead to believe that this cross was one awarded during the Napoleonic wars. Similar examples which have been attributed during the 1807 incidents look similar.

The crown, of course, was added 50 years later and resembles the later style.

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Guest Brian von Etzel

...but done it is whether missing pieces or not.

However, PLENTY of room for a RAO book!

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...but done it is whether missing pieces or not.

After reading some exchanges between you and Stephen in another place, I was expecting to see your grandads full size PLM in there as well as the mini Brian.... or did I miss it?

I presume you have your good reasons for this - but I was looking forward to slightly more of a feature on von Etzel's award than is evident.

Still - your homepage speaks for itself really.

Marshall

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andreas-

i see what you mean about the gold content...

especially from the reverse.

was there a first layer of enamel(white) as a "filler"

overlaid by the typical blue enamel? the reverse of

your PLM gives it this appearance.

thank you for your comments.

joe

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Correct, in those early days of medal making a different technique was used.

Those early PlMs are always built up like this one. A base porcelain (filler) with a fine top coat. It was all about saving the gold. Unfortunately the way of doing this was not to stable. Hossauer was believed to be the one that revolutionized the way of doing this in Prussia. Making order decoration hollow with thin enamel layers.

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