seeheld Posted December 2, 2023 Posted December 2, 2023 not spectacular, but beautiful Regards Seeheld
Solomon Posted December 3, 2023 Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) Another Lippe-group...not yet identified, the Lippische Rose for art and science 3rd class was probably after 1918 awarded. And again a small chain from Lippe (Detmold and Schaumburg!) of a NC. The name I got was "Dietz von Bayer", but I couldn´t find him in the rolls so far. This chain is quite unique, as the Lippe-Detmold Leopoldorden 3rd class was awarded only 16 times. The owner was Conrad Trauthan, Gewerbeaufseher (industry-inspector) in Bielefeld... Edited December 3, 2023 by Solomon 1
Dave Danner Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 It wouldn't be Dietz von Bayer. Both Konrad and Erich were highly decorated former active officers. Konrad received the SLH2, but neither had a Detmold award.
laurentius Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 Here is my humble contribution. Nothing spectacular (although I am happy with the RAO4 by Friedländer&co from Berlin). The bar is combattant for 1864 and 1866 but non-combattant for 1870/1871. I wonder why, does anyone have a suggestion? Kind regards, Laurentius
Solomon Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Dave Danner said: It wouldn't be Dietz von Bayer. Both Konrad and Erich were highly decorated former active officers. Konrad received the SLH2, but neither had a Detmold award. I know, but I got this chain directly from the heir, unfortunately he was not able to say which family-member was the previous owner.
Dave Danner Posted December 4, 2023 Posted December 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Solomon said: I know, but I got this chain directly from the heir, unfortunately he was not able to say which family-member was the previous owner. Paul Dietz (1827-1898) married Berta Bayer in 1849. He was ennobled as "Dietz von Bayer" on 17.12.1884. Paul and Berta had three children: Elisabeth (1850-), Konrad (1854-) and Erich (1859-). Elisabeth married Otto Freiherr von Hodenberg (1844-1902) and had 3 children. Erich was childless. Konrad had one son, Friedrich, born in 1887. None of the names I can associate directly with the family - Dietz v. Bayer, Frhr. v. Hodenberg, Iffland (Elisabeth's son-in-law), v. Collas (Friedrich's wife), Boßdorf (Friedrich's son-in-law), and Hartmann (Friedrich's daughter-in-law) - match my LDH and SLH lists. So my best guess is your heir inherited it from someone related through a later maternal line. Erich Dietz von Bayer (*1921) was killed in action in 1945; I have no idea if he had children and whom they would have married. Same for Erika Boßdorf geb. Dietz v. Bayer (1920-1951). It's possible Friedrich had other children after Erika and Erich, but I haven't found them.
Solomon Posted December 6, 2023 Posted December 6, 2023 Hi Dave, thanks a lot. Friedrich Dietz von Bayer indeed had another son, but it was a stillborn nameless child in 1923. I already checked all candidates, who got both 4th classes from Detmold and Schaumburg, without any success. The owner must be born before 1870 (NC medal for 1870/71) and the Schaumburg award might be an early one (white background of the rose). But this doesn´t really help in this case. BR Roman
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