House Order of Hohenzollern - info needed

[webr55]

We have two Lauteschlägers in the list, but I think this is a new one.

 

In the list, we have:

- Reinhard L., born 1872, in 1914 Hptm in FAR 61, held RAO4X and KO4X, among others.

- Ernst L., born 1869, in 1914 Maj in IR 81. 

Both got the HHOX already in 1917.

 

But then there is another one, in 1914 Olt dL in Landwehrbezirk II Darmstadt, from Artillery. It must be him. 

 

Regierungsrat and Hptm dL R. Lauteschläger (I don't find his full first name.)

 

From Darmstädter Tagblatt, 9.11.1918

 

 

Ah - it's Rudolf, as per Adressbuch Darmstadt 1918:

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by webr55

[Mattyboy]

I think this is Lt dR Philipp Höhn, brother? of Jasta ace Fritz Höhn. They both served in 7 Garde-Inf-Rgt. 

[webr55]

On 16/12/2020 at 16:17, Daniel Krause said:

great stuff!!!

 

Bornheim is indeed new.

About Oldenbourg - not sure if we have a period mistake among Wilhelm and Alexander Oldenbourg.

 

Best,

Daniel

Here is the newspaper notice for Oscar Bornheim. 

 

From Mülheimer Volkszeitung, 4.11.1918

[webr55]

Chance find: Olt dR Scheibler is listed in our Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha lists with his Card Eduard-Medaille mit Spange only, but he also got the Carl Eduard-Kriegskreuz:

 

From Bergsträßer Anzeigeblatt, 5.10.1918

 

 

[webr55]

Another chance find: Vizefeldwebel Philipp Ahlheim is listed in the Waldeck Ehrenkreuz lists, but without first name:

 

From Bergsträßer Anzeigeblatt, 27.8.1918

[Daniel Krause]

Bornheim was StabsbildOffz at the Kommandeur der Fliegrr 17.

 

Best,

Daniel

[webr55]

1 hour ago, Daniel Krause said:

Bornheim was StabsbildOffz at the Kommandeur der Fliegrr 17.

 

Best,

Daniel

What exactly is that, btw?

[Daniel Krause]

"der Stabsbildoffizier als Leiter der Stabia (Stabsbildabteilung) war dem jeweiligen Kommandeur der Flieger direkt unterstellt. Zu seinen Aufgaben zählten die planmäßige Überwachung der gesamten Lufterkundungsergebnisse einer Armee, die Herstellung von Luftbildkarten und die Nutzbarmachung der Erfahrungen aus den Erkundungsergebnissen."

 

Philipp Vogler, "Die deutsche militärische Luftbildaufklärung von den Anfängen bis 1945" S.146

[Soderbaum]

Oskar Bornheim do have an BAMA file which might give added info on his flying career. PERS 6/229641

 

He also have an file in BA Berlin. R 9361-II/101391

 

Gunnar

[Deruelle]

Hi

 

Just found this : Leutnant d. R. Konrad Kayser from IR 105. Received Saxon Merit order knight cross 2nd class with X and HOH3X

 

 

From Dresdner Nachrichten 7 November 1918

 

Christophe

 

 

[Daniel Krause]

Kaysers HOH was awarded 03.10.1918.

So he has never seen it...

 

Best,

Daniel

[Deruelle]

Many thanks Daniel for the information.

 

Christophe

[Deruelle]

Hi,

 

New owner : Leutnant Gerhard Richter. found in Dresdner Nachrichten on 26 August 1918

 

Christophe

[Daniel Krause]

yes, Christophe, 

he was in Fliegerabteilung 266,

received the HOH3X 07.08.1918

 

Best,

Daniel

[Deruelle]

Hi,

 

Just found this in the Dresdener Nachrichten June 1918

 

 

Christophe

[Deruelle]

Hi

New information about Rittmeister Hans Hohl from Dresdner Nachrichten fom 16 MAy 1918

 

 

Christophe

[Deruelle]

Hi

 

New owner of HOH3X : Hauptmann Kurt Hampe. Received on 17 May 1918.

 

 

From Dresdner Nachrichten

 

Christophe

 

 

[webr55]

16 hours ago, Deruelle said:

Hi

 

New owner of HOH3X : Hauptmann Kurt Hampe. Received on 17 May 1918.

 

 

From Dresdner Nachrichten

 

Christophe

 

 

Great find, new first name! Friedrich Emil Eugen Curt Hampe, 1888 - 1936, 1. ESB, 1920 Maj aD

Edited April 22, 2021 by webr55

[Mattyboy]

Here is a pic of Rittmeister Hans Hohl 

 

https://digital.slub-dresden.de/werkansicht/dlf/281564/30/0/?tx_dlf[highlight_word]="Hans Hohl" 1885&cHash=fbebd2ccae06b5e193895f0d3f92f75d

[Daniel Krause]

thats....odd.....

I can not confirm his Ernestinian Commander, or the Sachsen-Weimar Cross.

Only things I have are the Hohenzollern and the Württemberg Frederick...

The other ones... self awarded???

 

Best,

Daniel

[webr55]

14 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

thats....odd.....

I can not confirm his Ernestinian Commander, or the Sachsen-Weimar Cross.

Only things I have are the Hohenzollern and the Württemberg Frederick...

The other ones... self awarded???

 

Best,

Daniel

If I remember correctly, the Ernestiner Hausorden continued to be awarded post-1918 by the Dukes. 

Edited April 24, 2021 by webr55

[webr55]

Regional newspapers are one of the key sources to find new HHOXs. A number of us have now looked systematically through many newspapers, and I think it's time for a review: which regions are still (mostly or entirely) missing? In newspapers from which regions would it be most promising to still find new HHOX recipients (esp. totally new ones, not just first names, although those are certainly still very interesting)?

 

Going again through this thread, I would say the status is this:

 

Well covered already:

Hamburg

Hessen

Baden

Saxony (esp. Dresden)

 

 

Fairly well covered:

Nordrhein-Westfalen (ex. Münster and others, but some cities less, see below)

Thüringen (only some parts, esp. Jena)

Mecklenburg-VP (Stralsund, Greifswald)

Oldenburg

Straßburg 

East Prussia (Königsberg)

West Prussia (Thorn)

Posen (Bromberg, Posen)

Silesia (Breslau)

 

 

 

Less well covered:

Berlin (esp. award notices)

Cologne 

Württemberg, in particular Stuttgart

Other Thuringian states 

Rheinland-Pfalz

 

 

 

Fairly blind spots: 

Pomerania, especially Stettin 

Schleswig-Holstein

Hannover/Braunschweig/Anhalt

 

 

Unclear:

Bavaria: Digitized libraries do not seem to turn up much, newspapers like Münchner Neueste Nachrichten are being digitized, but it is not clear to me anyway whether there are many Bavarian HHOXs missing  

 

 

 

 

I think what would be most interesting to look through is (digitized) newspapers from:

 

1) Berlin: while the Vossische Zeitung covers the death notices well, it does not list awards. It seems that the awards might be listed in the local Berlin newspapers from particular quarters of the city. Not sure. Any help welcome. 

 

2) Württemberg: Stuttgart, anyone?

 

3) More Thuringian states: what about Schwarzburg, Weimar, Altenburg etc.?

 

4) Schleswig-Holstein: Flensburg, Kiel etc.? Especially award notices other than Navy. 

 

5) Hannover / Braunschweig / Anhalt: any relevant newspapers digitized yet? I found that the Magdeburgische Zeitung/Anhalter Anzeiger is in the process, but apparently progress is very slow. 

 

Any directions or help where to find more: most appreciated. 

And of course, any other comments are welcome!

 

Edited April 24, 2021 by webr55

[webr55]

This should be a new one: Major dL Neßler, BatKdr in FußAR 5, from Wollstein:

 

From Posener Tageblatt, 9.11.1918

 

 

Edited April 24, 2021 by webr55

[Deruelle]

17 hours ago, webr55 said:

Regional newspapers are one of the key sources to find new HHOXs. A number of us have now looked systematically through many newspapers, and I think it's time for a review: which regions are still (mostly or entirely) missing? In newspapers from which regions would it be most promising to still find new HHOX recipients (esp. totally new ones, not just first names, although those are certainly still very interesting)?

 

Going again through this thread, I would say the status is this:

 

Well covered already:

Hamburg

Hessen

Baden

Saxony (esp. Dresden)

 

 

Fairly well covered:

Nordrhein-Westfalen (ex. Münster and others, but some cities less, see below)

Thüringen (only some parts, esp. Jena)

Mecklenburg-VP (Stralsund, Greifswald)

Oldenburg

Straßburg 

East Prussia (Königsberg)

West Prussia (Thorn)

Posen (Bromberg, Posen)

Silesia (Breslau)

 

 

 

Less well covered:

Berlin (esp. award notices)

Cologne 

Württemberg, in particular Stuttgart

Other Thuringian states 

Rheinland-Pfalz

 

 

 

Fairly blind spots: 

Pomerania, especially Stettin 

Schleswig-Holstein

Hannover/Braunschweig/Anhalt

 

 

Unclear:

Bavaria: Digitized libraries do not seem to turn up much, newspapers like Münchner Neueste Nachrichten are being digitized, but it is not clear to me anyway whether there are many Bavarian HHOXs missing  

 

 

 

 

I think what would be most interesting to look through is (digitized) newspapers from:

 

1) Berlin: while the Vossische Zeitung covers the death notices well, it does not list awards. It seems that the awards might be listed in the local Berlin newspapers from particular quarters of the city. Not sure. Any help welcome. 

 

2) Württemberg: Stuttgart, anyone?

 

3) More Thuringian states: what about Schwarzburg, Weimar, Altenburg etc.?

 

4) Schleswig-Holstein: Flensburg, Kiel etc.? Especially award notices other than Navy. 

 

5) Hannover / Braunschweig / Anhalt: any relevant newspapers digitized yet? I found that the Magdeburgische Zeitung/Anhalter Anzeiger is in the process, but apparently progress is very slow. 

 

Any directions or help where to find more: most appreciated. 

And of course, any other comments are welcome!

 

Hi,

 

If the newspapers from Thuringia are digitalized, give me the link and I will help you with that (pm me)

 

About newspaper from Saxe, I have made choice to use only the Dresdner Nachrichten like from the beginning of the war they gave all informations about medals. I have made the year 1918, and all informations are now here on this topic.

 

I have send here on the forum some photos of Saxon officers showing their ribbons or medals bars with HOH3X. don't forget the photos, they are an incredible source for us.

 

Like I have little time, if I can help don't hesitate to use me

 

Christophe

[webr55]

Combined notice for two sons-in-law: Major Ulrich Blanck (we have him) and Hptm Paul Quandt (new first name, I think).

 

From Posener Tageblatt, 1.10.1918

 

 

Edited April 24, 2021 by webr55