Soderbaum Posted June 3 Posted June 3 Hi I am interested to find added info on Lt dR Georg? van der Emde. He is listed in MWB dated 05.09.1918 for receiving the HOH3x. He was l-WIacc on 12.07.1917 but I canot find him in the DVLs. He apparently dont have any known BAMA or BA file. I also cannot find his promotion to Lt dR in the MWB due their poor search function so I lack an Regiment for him. However I have fair info of his service as observer within the Fliegertruppe during 1917 to 1918. Anyone who have his date an place of birth or added info on him ? Gunnar
Dave Danner Posted June 7 Posted June 7 He was a Kriegsfreiwilliger in Reserve-Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 51. On 31.12.1915, he was promoted to Leutnant der Reserve (Arolsen) in that regiment. He received the Waldeck Silver Merit Medal with Swords on 13.4.1915 as a Kr.Frw. in RFAR 51, the Waldeck Merit Cross 4th Class with Swords on 19.1.1918 as a Lt.d.R. and Beobachter in a Flieger-Abteilung, and the HOH3X on 16.7.1918 as a Lt.d.R. in FA 19. The family appears to be from Mengeringhausen, Kreis der Twiste, a town near Arolsen which was later incorporated into Bad Arolsen in 1974. I can't find anything further, including confirmation of the first name. 1
Soderbaum Posted June 8 Posted June 8 Thankyou very much Dave and Andy !! It indeed solved some problems that I had with this flyer. 🙂 Gunnar
Daniel Krause Posted June 12 Author Posted June 12 Hello friends, thanks a lot for all these additions!!!! By the way, I came across a transcription of a list from the Militärkabinett sent to the AOK's late 1918 with a lot of late war awards of HOH3X. ALL of the mentioned Reserve and Landwehr guys there were known to us, all were in the big MilKab-file. I could confirm quite a few already suspected active Officers and add 16 more until now unknown ones. 8269 names are now on the list, thats only 22 short of the full known number of 8291... ...BUT...out of these, 146 are only halfway confirmed chaps from secondary sources, which I would like to confirm a 2nd or 3rd time... List below. I am quite suspicious about any Reserve or Landwehr or Non-Prussians mentioned somewhere with the HOH3X, which are not listed in the MilKab-File or where we do not have any official source. I am quite sure, there were plenty of nice little mistakes in the old newspapers. Maybe a guy got a HEK instead a HOH, was put in for one but did not get it or whatever. O'Connor for example mentioned as well a lot of HOH3X-holders, some are mistakes.... Erhard Milch for example. His Medal Bar is known, no HOH3X. About the mentioned Full Colonels - please be very careful with obituaries and 2nd class sources like newspapers... Schmettow for example held a PEACETIME HOH, no swords. in 1917 he received the KO2X. Launhardt got a Red Eagle 3 with WHITE ribbon - no swords - in Sept 1918. No HOH3X. Walter von Schwerin is mentioned with the HOH3X in the Regimental History of 4th GFAR in 1917, most likely wrong, he's got the KO2X. Up to late 1915, full Colonels did indeed get the HOH3X, this was changed in 1916, as Colonels got the KO2X. Mostly this guys held positions of a MajGen, so at least they received a nice neck order from that time on. From the quite early HOH3X in 1915, a few are only mentioned in the Staatsanzeiger, not in the Militärwochenblatt. All the best, Daniel Name DstGrd and. Status Bem. geb. gest. Alef, Peter, Dr.phil. LtdL RFAR Lw nicht MWB, PersBogen Lehramt 1888 Arnim, Ehrenfried v. H nicht MWB, Denkmal d.Uckerland-Güterberg Patronatsfamilie v.Arnim, HOH3X, WF3aX 1885 1921 Bartsch, Erhard Lt Flg nicht MWB, O´Connor Nov.18, Wikipedia 1895 1960 Behrendt, Stanislaus, Lt FestMGA 2, H IR 138 plm, HOH3X? 1886 1918 Bergeder, Friedr.Wilh. LtdR RIR 261 R nicht MWB, RG RIR 261, selbe Zeit wie Schwerin, Fladt usw. 1888 1952 Bibra, Hans Frhr.v. Lt Fhr 1.RadfKp./GJB (Nov.18) nicht MWB, RG GJB, + Gotha, HOH3X, SMK 1895 Bismarck, Ludolf v. M nicht MWB, Gotha, HOH3X, Joh, SMK, Vas, GE4, ÖM3K 1876 1935 Blecken v.Schmeling, Franz Friedr.Gustav OTLzD LIR 6 nicht MWB, SL GFR, RAO4, KO4, HOH3X, Joh, DA, OV3a, OK1 1864 1936 Blunk, Paul, Dr. HdR 5.GFAR, Landesrat OstPr R nicht MWB, Fhr-Lexikon 35, KO4, HOH3X, LD2, MMV1, DRKEZ1, ÖM3K 1880 Bockelberg, Ad.Friedr.Jul.v. LtdR DR 4, GFR R nicht MWB, SL GFR, +Schles.Privileg.Zeitg., zugl.m.U.Kaufmann, HOH3X, BMV4X, ÖM3K 1897 Boddien, Hans Hellmut Karl Hugo v. OLt JaSta Flg Nicht MWB, SL KR 2, HOH3X, LK, MMV1 1890 1919 Brandt, Arthur HdR Flg, GM Lw, DDR HVA ChInsp prüfen! 1887 1969 Bräuer Lt IR 50 (Nov.17) nicht MWB, RG IR 50 1917 Bressem, Helmut LtdR FAR 26.11.18 R nicht MWB, Vossische Zeitung 26.11.18 1893 1918 Büdingen, Karl-Aug. Gr.v. M LGIR 115 nicht MWB, RG IR 115, RAO4, HOH3X, DA, BMV4, HP3aKr, HT, LüH?, GE3 1869 1953 Bütröwe LtdR RIR 262 R nicht MWB, RG RIR 262 Carstens, Otto LtdR KpFhr R prüfen! HOH3X, OK1 Christiansen, Carl Friedr. KLdR Kdt BlockBr "Rubens" MR nicht MWB, Fhr-Lexikon, KVKRKX, HOH3X, OK1, HH, LüH, ÖM3K, EH2bXR, TH 1884 Claus, Dr.Heinr. SAdR 4.LD, EtLaz Konstantinopel R nicht MWB, SL IR 93, HOH3X, Kol DOA 7-9 1877 Dahlke, Karl Hildebrand Friedr HaD nicht MWB, Postrangliste 26, HOH3X, DA, HEK3X, BZ3bXE, BZ3b 1874 Datan, Ernst Lt Flg Lt. O´Connor 1896 Demnig-v.Weger, Ernfried OLt FlgAbt 211 Flg nicht MWB, RG FAR 8 1892 Dewald, Eberhard Lt IR 47 nicht MWB, NachrBl IR 47, HOH3X, Vaw 1898 Dieterichs, Ernst M (IR 467?) nicht MWB, SL IR 82, HOH3X, LK, REKj2X, GSF2X, SMK, WVK4X, ÖM3K, ÖR2K 1874 Dohm, Wilh. Lt GR 3, SturmKp nicht MWB, Illustrierter Sonntag v.26.5.29, HOH3X, Vaw? 1897 1948 Draudt, Aug. M AbtKdr FAR 260 nicht MWB, RG FAR 8 Drengwitz, Karl OLt nicht MWB, Ostpreußenblatt 1894 1967 Dresow, Bernh.v. OTL nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, RAO4, HOH3X, DA, SA3aXKr 1868 1930 Eggers, Gg. LtdR RJB 8 R nicht MWB, RG RJB 8 1889 Eiselen, Willy Lt nicht MWB, Entnazifizierungsakte, fraglicher Kandidat, ggf. Wtbg? 1896 1981 Elger LtdR 2.GRR R nicht MWB, RG 2.GRR, lt.PersAkte KEIN HOH3X, evtl. Fehler in der RG. Etzel, Ernst Günther v. RM UR 9 nicht MWB, RG UR 9, ca. Mitte Okt 18 1891 Fischer, Karl OLt RgtAdj 14.10.18 B nicht MWB, Münchner neueste Nachr.v. 14.10.18, BMV4XKr, HOH3X 1918 Flamm, Oswald Lt nicht MWB, Todesanzeige 1896 1950 Frankenberg u.Ludwigsdorf, Alex.Viktor OLt LGIR 115 nicht MWB, RG IR 115 und Frankenberg-Buch, HOH3X, BZ3bX, HT, SLK, Vaw 1892 1957 Friedrichs, Friedrich Lt JaSta 10 nicht MWB, Wikipedia, 21 Luftsiege, HOH3X, SMM 1895 1918 Fuchs, Viktor Ernst Hermann v. M nicht MWB, Stammliste GR 2 1874 Gall, Otto H IR 50, MaD, OTLzV nicht MWB, Todesanz. 1878 1943 Geinitz, Karl LtdR RIR 264 R prüfen woher HOH3X, EH3bX, SATM? 1887 1918 Gerlach, Otto HdR R nicht MWB, Lehrer-Persbogen, HOH3X, RM 1862 1940 Goßler, Herm. OLtdR IR 135 R nicht MWB, Todesanzeige v.12.09.18 1887 1918 Graf, Paul, Dr.theol. LtdR R nicht MWB, CV 1894 Grassmann, Justus Lt JaSta 10 Flg nicht MWB, Wikipedia, 10 Luftsiege 1961 Gravenhorst, Erich H, 42 OTLiG nicht MWB, Todesanz., HOH3X, EK2Sp, KVK1X 1942 Gregor, Karl Lt Flg lt. O´ Connor Grüner LtdR R nicht MWB, RG IR 56 Haacke, Arthur Lt Adj II./IR 143 nicht MWB, RG IR 143 1918 Haenel, Albert LtdR GFR, SturmKp 88.ID R nicht MWB, SL GFR, HOH3X, LüH 1888 Hager, Paul LtdR FAR 7, GenDir R nicht MWB, Todesanz. 1894 1934 Hagn, Heinz H Kdr FußAB 35 nicht MWB, RG FußAB 35, nach d.Waffenstillst. Hake, Fritz Ad.Carl v. H nicht MWB, Familiengeschichte, RAO4, HOH3X, Joh, MG3, SA3aX, ÖFJ4, ÖM3K, TH 1874 1958 Hardenberg, Eberh. Gr.v. OLt nicht MWB, HOH3X, KVK2X, Joh 1889 1983 Hattendorff, Hans H Flg lt. O´Connor, HOH3X, BMV4X, ÖM3K 1887 Haushalter, Ludw. OTLzD nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, RAO4, KO3, HOH3X, DA 1856 1921 Heide, Walter LtdR R nicht MWB, Wer ists, HOH3X, Vag 1894 1945 Heintz, Ulrich LtzS 2.SeeFlgA MFlg lt. O´Connor 1918 1898 Heyde, v.d. LtdR 5.GRzF R nicht MWB, RG, ca. Dez. 16 f.d.Kämpfe am 5.u.14.11.16 Heyl, Kurt M nicht MWB, Todesanziege; RAO4, KO4, HOH3X, DA, BMV4XKr, HT?, LDH3E, LL2Kr, SA3aKr, GSF3a, EH3aX, EH3a, SMK, Vas, BLII3, BKO3, NH5a, RumK4 1870 1933 Hoverbeck gen.v. Schoenaich, Alphons Frhr.v. OLt 2.GDR, Adj IR 442 nicht MWB, Todesanzeige 1918 Hoyer, Alfred LtdR IR 465 R nicht MWB, Lehrer-PersAkte, HOH3X, OK1 1884 1918 Hoyermann, Gerhard LtdR IR 99, MzV R nicht MWB, Todesanz., DKiG, HOH3X 1896 1943 Huber, Heinr. M IR 153 nicht MWB, RG IR 153, Ende Okt 18 mit Wild, HOH3X, AB3b, EH3aX Jaehner, Erich H FAR 57 nicht MWB, Todesanz., HOH3X, SMK 1878 1943 Jordan, Hans Joach.Jul.Ad.Alfr. OLt Flg nicht MWB, Stammliste GR 2, HOH3X, FlugzFhr, TH? 1891 Kahlert, Otto LtdR FAR 107 nicht MWB, SL FAR 107 u.Dortmunder Zeitung v.07.10.18 1890 Kessel, Hans Karl Gust.Berthold v. OTL Kdr RIR 93, GM nicht MWB, SL GFR, RAO4Kr, KO2X, HOH3X, DA, BZ3a, BMV3XKr, BMV4Kr, HP3a, MG2c, SA2bX, GSF3a, EH2b, WVK3, WK3L, WF2bX, ÖFJ2 1867 1945 Kienast, Richard, Dr.phil. LtdR IR 57 R nicht MWB, PersBogen Uni Heidelberg, HOH3X, Vaw 1892 1976 Kipke, Fritz HdL FA R nicht MWB, MitglVerz LwKas Breslau, HOH3X, LD2 1881 Kolbe H FAR 37 nicht MWB, RG FAR 37, HOH3X ca.Okt 18 Kretschmer, Werner Lt, HaD FußAR 3 1884 1931 Krimler, Max OTL nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, RAO4Kr, HOH3X, DA 1870 1940 Kruhöffer, Gg.Eberh. OLt FAR 80 nicht MWB, Glenn-Liste Kühlwetter, Franz v. OTL Nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, RAO4Kr, HOH3X, BMV3X, LDHOX, SLHO, SLH4, WK3XL, M2 1869 1919 Kuhn, Hans LtdR FA 202 R HOH3X, BV3, BZ3bX 1893 Kühne OLt nicht MWB, RG HR 2 Kummetz, Hans OLt Flg nicht MWB, SL IR 42 1890 1918 Kuntze, Erwin OLtdR FAR 37 R nicht MWB, RG FAR 37, HOH3X ca.Okt 18 1886 1977 Lange, Ludw. OTL KM Nicht MWB, SL KrAk!, RAO4, HOH3X, DA, BZ3b, BMV4XKr, BMV4Kr, HH, HT, OK1, WK2cX, BMO3, CV2, JV4, ÖM3K, RumK3, SS3a, TM3 1869 1942 Langenn-Steinkeller, Franz Helmut v. RM 1.GDR, IV.KT Ar nicht MWB, Gotha, HOH3X, AK, BMV4X, OK2?, ÖM3K, TH 1889 1983 Lehnsdorf, Engelbert Joh.Maria, OTLdRaD, LandGerDir a.D., Dr.jur nicht MWB, SoldKal, HOH3X, EK1Sp 1884 1976 Lehwald, Kurt OLt IR 68, H nicht MWB, Luyken-Archiv, KO4, HOH3X, HH, MMV1, Vas 1889 1964 Lenz, Otto Max Lt IR 68 nicht MWB, Festschrift 50 Jahre Gymnasium Neuwied, HOH3X, WF3bX, Vaw 1918 Limbourg, Engelbert H GFußAR nicht MWB, Todesanz. 1930 Logan, Curt OLt FFA 5 WFlg lt. O´Connor, WM3, HOH3X Lührs, Otto LtdR R nicht MWB, KrRL Süd-Ar, HOH3X, HKE, FEK Manderscheid, Kurt HiG nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, KO4, HOH3X, BMV4X 1884 1930 Manteuffel, Günther v. Lt, GM nicht MWB, RH-RL, DKiG, HOH3X, WHDA 1891 1962 Marwitz, Hans Gg.v.d. Lt JaSta 30 Flg nicht MWB, Wikipedia, 15 Luftsiege, HOH3X, FlugzFhr 1893 1925 Maser, Ernst H Flg lt. O´Connor Massow, Friedr.Carl v. Lt KR 7 nicht MWB, RG KR 7 1893 1979 Maurer, Erich RMdR IR 143 R nicht MWB, Lt.RG IR 143 Okt.18 1881 1918 Mossdorf, Otto H nicht MWB, Grabstein 1882 1959 Mühlenbrink, Kurt H FlakGrpKdr 53 nicht MWB, RG FAR 8, HOH3X, BZ3bX Müller-Lauchert, Ludw. H Flg lt. O´Connor Mülverstedt, Arthur OLt, SS-GruF 27.09.18 nicht MWB, Erfurter Anz. 31.10.18, HOH3X, EK1Sp, VAs, PolDA, Öst, Sud Sp, Schutzwall 1941 Muris, Leo Lt IR 184 nicht MWB, NachrBl IR 47, HOH3X, VAg 1892 Musshoff, Walter HiG, GdFlg nicht MWB, Wiki, HOH3X, RM, SA3aX, WLDA2 1885 1971 Naumann, Max H FR 36, GM nicht MWB, Bio nach Dieter Zinke, HOH3X, KVK2X 1877 1945 Nepf, Hans H B nicht MWB, RH-RL, BMV4X, BLM3J, BDA2, HOH3X???, EK1, HEK3X, VAs, ÖM3K 1876 1952 Ohnesorg, Walter H Flg lt. O´Connor, HOH3X, SMK 1885 Paasch, Lothar Lt Fhr 2./GR 12 01.11.18 nicht MWB, RG GR 12 1897 Perrar, Anton Lt IR 160 nicht MWB, RG IR 160 Plauth, Karl LtdR Fhr Jasta 51 nicht MWB, HH Nachrichten 2.11.27 1896 1927 Plotho, Hans-Gebh.Edl.Herr u.Frhr.v. RM HR 15 Kdt HQ IX.AK nicht MWB, SL GFR, RAO4X 18.07.18, KO4X, HOH3X, Joh, SWA, HH, BH, MMV1 1877 1945 Reiß H EisBetrDir MED 2 30.11.17 B nicht MWB, Münchner neueste Nachr.v. 30.11.17 Reusch, Hermann LtdR HR 11 26.10.18 R nicht MWB, RG HR 11 1896 1971 Rudloff M Kdr FAR 107 nicht MWB, SL FAR 107, HOH3X, HH, MMV2 1872 Ruwie, Wilh. LtdR Fhr KraftwFlakZg 31.10.18 R nicht MWB, Nassauer Bote v.31.10.18 Schellenberg, Ernst HdLaD RIR 207 Lw nicht MWB, DGB, HOH3X, Cent 1874 Schmidt, Hans HdR, 18 Fhr LIR 382 R HOH3X, Vas 1877 1953 Schmoeger, Wilh. H WFlg lt. O´Connor, WM3, HOH3X, SH3 Schoen, Armin H IR 18 HOH3X, OK1, VAs 1889 Schoenebeck, Carl-Aug.v. Lt, GM Flg nicht MWB, Lexikon der Wehrmacht, HOH3X, HEK3X, BZ3bX, HH, BA3X 1898 1989 Schröder, Joachim v. H Flg nicht MWB, Nachruf, KO4, HOH3X, ÖM3Kg 1885 1929 Schwarz, Walther M MilKab nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, HOH3X, BMV4XKr, BMV4, LüH, SA3aX, WF3aX 1936 Schwendy, Franz M LIR 430 26.10.18 nicht MWB, RG LIR 39 und LIR 430, KO4, HOH3X, HP3a 1875 Schwerin, Walter v. OTL 31.03.17 nicht MWB, RG 4.GFAR, RAO4Kr, KO2X, HOH3X X zu?, DA, HEK2bX, BZ3a, BMV3XKr, HP3a, SA3aKr, EH2b, WK3L, WF2bX 1867 1943 Selasinsky, Eberhard v.Selasen- H nicht MWB, SoldJB, HOH3X, HP3b, SA3aX, SMK 1878 1974 Selve, Herm.-Aug. OLtdR R nicht MWB, SL KR 8 Sengenwald RM BtlFhr IR 23 Sept.18 lt.RG nicht MWB, RG IR 23, KO4, HOH3X, DA, BMV4X, BMV4, ÖFJ4X 1878 1934 Splettstößer, Carl Otto Lt nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, HOH3X, EK1Sp, VAg 1894 1941 Stenzel, Gust. H IR 42 nicht MWB, SL IR 42, KO4, HOH3X, ÖM3K 1886 1917 Stoessel v.d.Heyde H IR 160 23.10.18 nicht MWB, RG IR 160, + Frankf. Zeitung 23.10.18, HOH3X, Joh, TM4 Stüßer, Erich LtdR R nicht MWB, PersVerz. Uni Bonn Suasius, Anton OTL nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, RAO4, HOH3X, DA 1863 1932 Thielsch, Fritz OLt IR 63 nicht MWB, Todesanzeige 1918 Thierfelder, Oskar LtdR RIR 133 SR nicht MWB, RG RIR 133, SH3, SHsM, SA3bX, SV3bX, HOH3X, SMK Thoennißen, Max H 1.MIR, 42 GM nicht MWB, Deutsche Biographie u. AHF, GrBVKSt, HOH3X???, EK2, KVK1X, BZ3bX, WHDA 1887 1969 Tiegs, Hans-Herbert H FußArt nicht MWB, Todesanzeige 1892 1938 Tilgner, Felix LtdL Lw nicht MWB, Todesanzeige 1881 1921 Trotha, Thilo Friedr.Wilh.v. H Thilo und Maxim mit HOH3X im GOTHA, KO4, HOH3X, Joh, AK, BZ3bXE, BMV4X, BrH3b, MG3, SA3b, BMO5, NH5b 1886 1966 Untucht, Friedr., Dr.jur Lt 5.LIB nicht MWB, Todesanz., HOH3X, LüH 1891 1943 Vogt, Werner H FAR 21 nicht MWB, RG FAR 21, HOH3X 1918, SMK Wachter, Albrecht v. H LGIR 115 nicht MWB, RG LGIR 115, HOH3X 1918 Wagner, Hans OLt nicht MWB, SL KR 8 1893 Wahlen, Johann KLdR MSHFltl MR nicht MWB, Hamburger Nachrichten 15.12.38 1876 Wangenheim, Heinz Frhr.v. M nicht MWB, Todesanzeige, RAO4, HOH3X, SA3b, GSF3bX X zu, SW, EH2bX, BL4, ÖM3K 1869 1939 Wedel, Hubertus v. HiG nicht MWB, Gotha, HOH3X, Joh, BrH4, ÖM3K 1882 Weil OLtdR KpFhr 23.07.18 nicht MWB, Wiesbadener Tageblatt Westernhagen, Thilo v. M nicht MWB, Todesanz., RAO4, HOH3X, Joh, DA 1870 1928 Willikens, Werner Lt FAR 24 nicht MWB, Akte Uni Halle, HOH3X, HH, ÖM3K 1893 1961 Winning, Karl v. M nicht MWB, Gotha, HOH3X, DA 1874 1951 Winterfeld, Friedr.v. RM nicht MWB, SL KR 8 1883 1918 Witzel, K. LtdR KpFhr R nicht MWB, Hanauer Anz, 14.10.18, HOH3X, HKE, HT Zanner, Rudolf LtdR Fhr 1.MGK/RJB 8 nicht MWB, RG RJB 8
webr55 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) Daniel, I have to disagree completely. We are not high school students here who don’t know how to do archival work. You cannot dismiss all those as “secondary sources”. In that case you can throw all the cases that me and others have found in newspapers throughout the last years into the dustbin. You could have said this right away, that you don't like our second class sources: "I am quite suspicious about any Reserve or Landwehr or Non-Prussians mentioned somewhere with the HOH3X, which are not listed in the MilKab-File or where we do not have any official source. I am quite sure, there were plenty of nice little mistakes in the old newspapers." If you had said that right away, it would have spared me and many others here a lot of time. And then I don’t want to be part of this project anymore. You don’t seem to have any argument against my theory, you are just repeating what you said before. There is nothing that rules out that full colonels could have received the HOH3X at the late stages of the war. And you could not dismiss all my 5-6 such cases listed in this thread. One or two might be mistakes, but not five or six. Launhardt's obituary came from one of the most prestigious German newspapers. It has a lot of details, must have been compiled by someone with intimate knowledge of his career, most probably someone from his regiment or other unit. To simply ignore this, is just arrogance, sorry. You still seem to think there are some genuine “sources” against which you can check whether someone “really” got the HHOX. There is not. There is much more uncertainty, in German sources as well as elsewhere. I would like to remind you: years ago, YOU asked for help here. Edited June 15 by webr55 1
Daniel Krause Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 Nono, thats a complete misunderstanding and thats far away from my intentions. I am very happy with all the help from you and all the others. Lets clear that via telephone? Best, Daniel
Deutschritter Posted August 25 Posted August 25 (edited) Gentlemen, does anyone know anything about Hauptmann Paul Zachariae(-Lingenthal), b. 1878, possibly from the 4. Hannoversches Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 164? HOH3X according to Gothaisches Genealogisches Taschenbuch der Adeligen Häuser'', Teil B, 1942. In 1923, he was serving as a Major in the 9. (Preußisches) Infanterie-Regiment of the Reichswehr. In 1941, he was serving as a Lieutenant Colonel with the Luftwaffe. Thanks! Edited August 25 by Deutschritter
Daniel Krause Posted October 16 Author Posted October 16 Hello Deutschritter, yes, Zachariae is from the IR 164. His Hohenzollern was published in the Staatsanzeiger 04.09.1917, in the Militärwochenblatt 08.09.1917. Best, Daniel 1
Deutschritter Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) 8 hours ago, Daniel Krause said: Hello Deutschritter, yes, Zachariae is from the IR 164. His Hohenzollern was published in the Staatsanzeiger 04.09.1917, in the Militärwochenblatt 08.09.1917. Best, Daniel Thank you, Daniel. Then his son was Edel-Heinrich Theodor Wolfhart Zachariae von Lingenthal, Major i. G. (Wehrmacht), Brigadegeneral (Bundeswehr), Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross on 18 September 1943 as Hauptmann (Captain) and Commander of the II. Battalion/Panzer-Regiment 15/11. Panzer-Division. Another son was Lienhard (b. 31 July 1922 in Hameln), 2nd Lieutenant of the Wehrmacht, ⚔ on 7 July 1942 3 km off the road from Voronezh. Edited October 16 by Deutschritter
Mattyboy Posted October 19 Posted October 19 Hi all, This could be a new one - former WW1 ace Otto Creutzmann 1
Deutschritter Posted October 19 Posted October 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mattyboy said: Hi all, This could be a new one - former WW1 ace Otto Creutzmann This is really great, thank you! Wikipedia even has an article, claiming he was Oberleutnant in WWII (I just changed that and added some infos). Now we know he was Lieutenant Colonel. He was severly wounded on 10 January 1943 and died on 12 January 1943 at the Reserve-Kriegslazarett 15/VI Proskurow. Between the wars he was Gutspächter (Tilleda). Maybe someone has a picture? Edited October 19 by Deutschritter
GreyC Posted October 22 Posted October 22 Hi, when he was wounded in May 1918 he was Leutnant der Reserve, according to the Army loss lists. The Wikipedia article on him claims he was wounded in 1915 as an infantrist. This may be the case, but this incident was not registered in the loss list. GreyC 1
Deutschritter Posted October 22 Posted October 22 33 minutes ago, GreyC said: Hi, when he was wounded in May 1918 he was Leutnant der Reserve, according to the Army loss lists. The Wikipedia article on him claims he was wounded in 1915 as an infantrist. This may be the case, but this incident was not registered in the loss list. GreyC That is true, of course, but the Verlustlisten are not complete ... many times I have not found a wounded soldier, even though he had been awarded a wound badge. Being wounded with the Royal Saxon 5th Field Artillery Regiment No. 64 in 1915 does make sense, so many members of the Fliegertruppe transferred there after being wounded in their Stamm-Regiment. Greeting. Andreas
GreyC Posted October 22 Posted October 22 3 hours ago, Deutschritter said: many times I have not found a wounded soldier, even though he had been awarded a wound badge. Hi, I second that. GreyC 1
Mattyboy Posted October 27 Posted October 27 A new first name: Carl Maier, whose HOH3x was noted in the MWB dated 15th October 1918. This announcement in 'Der Postillon' is dated 19th August, nearly two months before it was gazetted in the MWB. He also had the WF3bx. If anyone has more information on this man, I'd be happy to hear from you 1
Soderbaum Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Hi Mattyboy, Lt dR Carl(Karl) Maier (O) do have an BAMA file as "Karl". As an Württemberger he probably have some files in their archives. His only front-line unit was FAA 277.He was born 31.01.1890 Mittelhaslach, Vaihingen. After the War he was living in Lorch. He received the Hoh3x on 16.07.1918. Other known awards are: EKII 30.06.1915,WsMVM 10.10.1915,BeoAbz 01.07.1917,EKI 25.02.18,RKFriedrOrdms 18.06.1918 and vwAbz(schwarz) 23.08.1918 He is listed in PVL 16.07.1918. Gunnar 2
Deutschritter Posted October 28 Posted October 28 This must be him (Oberstleutnant): MAIER, Karl. (DOB: 31.01.90). 01.07.42 in Stab/Luftflotte 1, promo to Obstlt. 05.08.42 trf from Stab/Luftflotte 1 to Ob.d.L. pool with temporary duty to 04.12.42 at Flieger-Waffentechn.Schule 2. 05.12.42 reassigned to Flieger-Waffentechn.Schule 2. 24.04.43 (f.n. not given) Obstlt. with Koflug 2/VI Cagliari.
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