What have you in the drawer that's rare?

[spanferkel]

I need to second the comment by Claudius.

That is one unique, and rare peice of history.

Though I am not a collector in this area these outlying German colonies are very fascinating.

Great piece!

Jeremy

[pinpon590]

Hi !

Recently arrived at home : this nice prussian red cross 1st class insignia, in silver gilt. Rare, because only awarded 161 times during WW1...

:jumping:

[Guest IMHF]

I know that this is not from Germany but this is one of my rare pieces. Iraqi Order of the Republic 1958, I have only seen 2 of these in the life time I have been collecting.

http://iraqimilitari...arim-qasim.html

Lorenzo

Edited November 19, 2010 by IMHF

[RAO]

Hi !

Recently arrived at home : this nice prussian red cross 1st class insignia, in silver gilt. Rare, because only awarded 161 times during WW1...

Sorry that I must say that, but this red cross 1st class is a copy.

Regards Mike

[Guest IMHF]

Sorry that I must say that, but this red cross 1st class is a copy.

Regards Mike

How can you tell?? It looks original??

Lorenzo

[Komtur]

How can you tell?? It looks original??

An original cross should look in that way:

[Guest IMHF]

I see what you mean on the previous Cross the Crosses are cut out.

Lorenzo

[Komtur]

I see what you mean on the previous Cross the Crosses are cut out.

Yup. But not only that, the details of the crown are obviously different too.

But how can I know, wich one is the good one? Because I have seen the minting tools in the Berliner Münze and compared them with the cross.

Edited November 20, 2010 by Komtur

[Guest IMHF]

This is good to know information, thank you:cheers:

Lorenzo

[Hauptmann]

Just a quick suggestion. I think it would be helpful if comparison pics could be placed one above or next to each other. It's hard to go back and forth between posts that are several posts apart and make proper comparisons. I think having them next to each other would make a good comparison much easier/better.

Many thanks!

Dan

[Guest IMHF]

Just a quick suggestion. I think it would be helpful if comparison pics could be placed one above or next to each other. It's hard to go back and forth between posts that are several posts apart and make proper comparisons. I think having them next to each other would make a good comparison much easier/better.

Many thanks!

Dan

Good idea can some one post them together, I only made out the cut out crosses hard to see the other comparisons.

Thank you

Lorenzo

[Hauptmann]

As it's a request and hoping neither of you mind me reposting your pics:

If a larger pic/scan can be done of the crown/upper cross arm section of the copy to match the original that would be even better. If so, pop it over to me (dwatson@daktel.com) and I'll be happy to edit this and put it in in place of the copy pic included here.

Dan

Edited November 20, 2010 by Hauptman

[Guest IMHF]

Dan

Good work and thank you, you can see now the differences of the 2 together. I have a question if only a few hundred were awarded what would be the value of these Crosses??

Thank you

Lorenzo

[Guest IMHF]

It would be nice to see a larger image of the one being called a copy???

Thank you

Lorenzo

[Hauptmann]

Copy on the left, original on the right. About as good as I can get it unless I'm provided with a new scan of the copy, especially the section in question here. Might be good to have a full pic of the original for comparison as well... obverse and reverse if possible.

Dan

[Guest IMHF]

Good work but the one on the left looks like someone giving me the middle finger:speechless:

Lorenzo

[Hauptmann]

Good work but the one on the left looks like someone giving me the middle finger:speechless:

Lorenzo

Wish I could do better. The problem is that jpg's like the original image are difficult to resize as you start to lose detail and it gets blurry as in this case. It was about as far as I could take it. It's much easier to make them smaller and I have a problem that does just that. But for enlarging I have to go through Paint and it's slightly trickier. Also appearances can change depending on what browser is being used and what the settings are as these vary from computer to computer.

Best solution is a new pic or preferabiy scan of the "copy"... and again would be great to have a good scan of the full obverse and reverse and again of the selected area of the crown/top arm of the cross.

But hoping this at least helps a bit for now.

Dan

[Harvey]

Fascinating thread - esp. for those of us who are relatively new to collecting and haven't yet obtained some of these "rare" items.

[kunsho]

Württemberg, Friedrichsorden (Order of Frederic), Knights Cross 1st with Swords, all gold, one of hundred

Manufacturer was the goldsmith Otto Wennberg in Stuttgart, he delivered exactly 100 of the knights crosses 1st class with swords

Matthias

[pinpon590]

Hi !

Some better picts of the crown :

top

[pinpon590]

And a view of the 3 o'clock arrm...

I think if it's a fake, I could return this cross... So I will follow you opinion...

[RAO]

It is a copy, sorry.

And this is a detail from a original.

Regards Mike

[Komtur]

Ah, now it is possible to compare them directly:

[Red Eagle]

Not really rare, but not common, especially with his box : HE3X

Here his twin...

[Guest IMHF]

Here his twin...

It looks beautiful;)

Lorenzo