Claudio Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 Dear forumites, I'd like to present to you my latest acquisition: the medalbar (plus EK1 1914) of Oberstleutnant a.D. Wichard. Here are some infos about the orders on the bar and other infos about his career: Preußen Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. am Kämpferband 1914 (OEK 1909), E gs/S; Preußen, Hausorden von Hohenzollern, RK mit Schwertern, S&W gepunzt (OEK 1789), S em ; Sachsen Königreich, Albrechtsorden, 2. Modell (1876-1918), RK 1. Kl. mit Schwertern, das Kreuz in Gold S vg Schwertern nachgerüstet (OEK 2209), S/G em; Hessen, Allg. EZ, Ernst Ludwig, Für Tapferkeit (OEK 884), S; Schaumburg-Lippe, Kreuz für treue Dienste 1914 (OEK 1256), Br vg; Hamburg, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 688), Ku vs em; Bremen, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 651), Ku vs em; 3. Reich (1933-45), Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (OEK 3803/1), E br; Preußen, RAO, 4. Modell (1885-1918) 4. Kl. mit Kr.(OEK 1706), S em; Preußen, Offiziers Dienstauszeichnung für 25 Jahre (OEK ); Preußen, DA f. Offiziere 1825, 4. Form ab 1895 (OEK 1970/1), Br vg; Schaumburg-Lippe, Fürstlicher Hausorden, Kreuz 3.Klasse (OEK 1211), G; Siam, Königreich: Der sehr hohe Orden des Weißen Elefanten, 4. Modell, Offizierskreuz (1889-1941). I would really appreciate if someone could give me the exact dates and places of both birth and death of this officer or other filling informations about his career and dates of the medals' bestowal (possible corrections). Thank you a lot in advance for your comments or input on this one. Sincerely, Claudio Wichard Winkelmann wurde mit Patent vom 18.4.1893 zum Leutnant ernannt und war von 1895 bis 1901 im Pionier-Btl. von Rauch (Brandenbg.) Nr. 3 tätig. Über einen kurzen Aufenthalt bei der Artillerie und der Ingenieur-Schule kam er 1902 zur 4. Ing.-Insp., die u.a. für den Fortifikationsdienst in Mainz tätig. Während des Weltkrieges war er Kommandeur des Pionier-Bataillons Nr. 211. 18.04.1883 Leutnant 1895-1901 Pionier-Btl. v.Rauch (Brandenbg.) Nr. 3 1897 k.z. Artillerie und Ingenieur-Schule 15.12.1900 Oberleutnant 1902 4. Ing.-Insp., k.z. Fortifikationsdienst in Mainz 1904/1905 Westfälisches Pion.-Btl. Nr. 7 1906/1911 Hannoversches Pion.-Btl. Nr. 10 27.01.1907 Hauptmann 1912 4. Ing.-Insp., k.z. Fortifikationsdienst in Köln 1913/1914 2. Ing.-Insp., b.Stabe der Festtungsinspektion Im Kriege zwischenzeitlich Kdr des Pion.-Btl. Nr. 21 18.04.1916 Major Erl 1926 Oberstleutnant a.D. (St.O.Pi 157) Orden & Ehrenzeichen : 1. 1897 Zentenarmedaille 2. Okt. 1907 Fürstl. Schaumburg-Lippischer Hausorden 3. Klasse 3. 1907/08 Kgl. Siamesischer Elefantenorden Offizierskreuz 4. 27.01.1909 Kgl. Preuß. RAO 4. Kl. m.d.Krone 5. Ende 1914 EK II 6. Febr. 1915 EK I 7. 09.10.1915 Kgl.Sächs.Albrechtsorden RK 1. Kl. m.Schwertern 8. Okt. 1916 Hamburger Hanseatenkreuz 9. Nov. 1916 Hess.Allg.EZ für Tapferkeit 10. 18.12.1917 Kgl. Preuß.HO von Hohenzollern, RK m.Schwertern 11. Jan. 1918 Bremer Hanseatenkreuz 12. Mai 1918 Schaumburg-Lippisches Kreuz für treue Dienste 1914 13. Dez. 1920 (!) Preuß.Offz.-Dienstauszeichung 14. 1934 Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
Utgardloki Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 What a stunning, perfectly made bar, your pieces are alwys fantastic Very interseting is that it took 24 years after becoming Leutnant to get hist first decoration (except the Centenary), knowing that tells us again to appreciate small cheaper groups as much as these stunning ones, it took many years to earn them.
Claudio Posted April 24, 2019 Author Posted April 24, 2019 Thanks for your kind comments... yes, very interesting indeed that it took 24 years before getting an order! I'd be very nice though, to find Winkelmann's photo wearing his medals...
Claudius Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 What I think is really interesting is his first award (after the Centennial). Wichard must have been recognized as a rising star. Leutnant in 1893, Oberleutnant in 1900, makes Hauptman in 1907 and in October of that year recieves the Schamburg-Lippe House Order 3K! The Siam award comes soon after. In 1909 he picks up the Prussian Red Eagle 4K with Crown! He is being recognized by some influential people. I hope there is a photo of him.
VtwinVince Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 I agree, a really stunning bar with a very unique combination.
JasonA Posted April 25, 2019 Posted April 25, 2019 Dear Claudio, Another stunning piece! You have such great taste, and a definite style in what you acquire. I could probably review a catalog and correctly guess your next piece! ? Congratulations, my friend. A beautiful bar on so many levels. Best, Jason
Claudio Posted April 25, 2019 Author Posted April 25, 2019 18 hours ago, Claudius said: What I think is really interesting is his first award (after the Centennial). Wichard must have been recognized as a rising star. Leutnant in 1893, Oberleutnant in 1900, makes Hauptman in 1907 and in October of that year recieves the Schamburg-Lippe House Order 3K! The Siam award comes soon after. In 1909 he picks up the Prussian Red Eagle 4K with Crown! He is being recognized by some influential people. I hope there is a photo of him. Well, actually all this orders were given very likely for his connections with Schaumburg-Lippe rather than real merit (he got also the Treu und Dienste Cross almost in the end of ww1). Strangely enough his SL3 wasn’t upgraded with swords... Furthermore the Siamese (Thai) order was probably given whilst receiving a visit of Siamese officers or Royal family members who participated to some kind of Pionier military maneuvers or workshop pre 1914. So all in all his connections helped boasting his array of decorations on his bar, more than some mere mortal Infantry officer at the front....? I have some beautiful and long bars which belonged to officers that haven’t even reached higher ranks than Major or Oberstleutnant, but they were able to get more exotic orders than even Generals, not to mention front officers! C
Claudio Posted April 25, 2019 Author Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, JasonA said: Dear Claudio, Another stunning piece! You have such great taste, and a definite style in what you acquire. I could probably review a catalog and correctly guess your next piece! ? Congratulations, my friend. A beautiful bar on so many levels. Best, Jason Thank you Jason your words mean a lot to me! 39 minutes ago, 1812 Overture said: Great order! I admire you Thank you Sir! Admiration is a big word though I don’t deserve... ?
Paul C Posted April 25, 2019 Posted April 25, 2019 Very nice, maybe there is a photo of him out there somewhere.
Claudio Posted April 25, 2019 Author Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Paul C said: Very nice, maybe there is a photo of him out there somewhere. Thanks a lot for your kind words! C 3 hours ago, Stogieman said: Beautiful group Claudio, Thanks for sharing Edited April 25, 2019 by Claudio
arb Posted April 25, 2019 Posted April 25, 2019 Hello Claudio, As usual, your taste in bars is exquisite! As I have said before, a bar this nice deserves to have its original owner identified as fully as possible. So, here is his Wichard's pre-war career. Andy Wichard Winkelmann (25.01.1871-29.01.1940) 29.01.40 in Hannover gest. 18.04.13-1914 Adj. d. 9. Fest. Insp. (Graudenz), v. 2. Ing. Insp. 19.07.11-18.04.13 z. Fortif. Dienst in Cöln v. 4. Ing. Insp. [27.01.09 PRAO4mKr] [00.02.08 SE4] [00.10.07 SLH3] 27.01.07-19.07.11 Chef 4./Pion. B. 10 (Minden) 24.04.04-27.01.07 in 4./Pion. B. 10 (Minden) 17.05.02-24.04.04 z. Fortif. Dienst in Metz v. 4. Ing. Insp. 1901-17.05.02 in 1./Pion. B. 3 (Spandau) 01.10.98-1900 in 4./Pion. B. 3 (Spandau) 01.10.97-30.09.98 k.z. Dienstl. b. Gren. R.12 01.10.95-00.07.97 k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch. 18.04.93-01.10.95 in 2./Pion. B. 3 (Torgau) 18.04.93 Sek.Lt. 18.08.92 Port. Fähnr. 09.01.92 in Pion. B. 3 eingetr. 25.01.71 in Gardelegen geb. Major 18-04-16 U Hptm. 27-01-10 Cc* Oberlt. 22-04-02 M3m** Leutn. 18-04-93 Aa *ern. 27-01-07 **ern. 15-12-00
Claudio Posted April 26, 2019 Author Posted April 26, 2019 15 hours ago, arb said: Hello Claudio, As usual, your taste in bars is exquisite! As I have said before, a bar this nice deserves to have its original owner identified as fully as possible. So, here is his Wichard's pre-war career. Andy Wichard Winkelmann (25.01.1871-29.01.1940) 29.01.40 in Hannover gest. 18.04.13-1914 Adj. d. 9. Fest. Insp. (Graudenz), v. 2. Ing. Insp. 19.07.11-18.04.13 z. Fortif. Dienst in Cöln v. 4. Ing. Insp. [27.01.09 PRAO4mKr] [00.02.08 SE4] [00.10.07 SLH3] 27.01.07-19.07.11 Chef 4./Pion. B. 10 (Minden) 24.04.04-27.01.07 in 4./Pion. B. 10 (Minden) 17.05.02-24.04.04 z. Fortif. Dienst in Metz v. 4. Ing. Insp. 1901-17.05.02 in 1./Pion. B. 3 (Spandau) 01.10.98-1900 in 4./Pion. B. 3 (Spandau) 01.10.97-30.09.98 k.z. Dienstl. b. Gren. R.12 01.10.95-00.07.97 k.z. Art. u. Ing. Sch. 18.04.93-01.10.95 in 2./Pion. B. 3 (Torgau) 18.04.93 Sek.Lt. 18.08.92 Port. Fähnr. 09.01.92 in Pion. B. 3 eingetr. 25.01.71 in Gardelegen geb. Major 18-04-16 U Hptm. 27-01-10 Cc* Oberlt. 22-04-02 M3m** Leutn. 18-04-93 Aa *ern. 27-01-07 **ern. 15-12-00 Thanks a lot Andy! ??????? you’re the man!!!!
Claudio Posted May 2, 2019 Author Posted May 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Wild Card said: Fantastic! Congratulations. Wild Card Thanks Chris!
Dave Danner Posted May 5, 2019 Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) His full name was Carl Ernst Wichard Winkelmann and he was born in Gardelegen. He was awarded the Schaumburg-Lippe Kreuz für Treue Dienste on 23.5.1918 as commander of Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 211. Edited May 5, 2019 by Dave Danner
Claudio Posted May 20, 2019 Author Posted May 20, 2019 Thanks Rudi! Some better pictures of the bar. Enjoy! regards, Claudio
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