Colonial medal on a Franco-Prussian medal bar

[Claudio]

Dear forumites,

I would like to bid on this bar, but I am not so sure that the Colonial medal is the correct one for a German officer... it should be gilded, or not?

I really appreciate your inputs.

Cheers,

Claudio

[dedehansen]

Ciao Claudio,

not my best photo quality.

Regards
Andreas

[Claudio]

Thanks Andreas... I think that the one on the medal Bar I showed it looks really good.

Edited March 17, 2020 by Claudio

[VtwinVince]

Nice Schnalle, especially with the KO3mS.

[Claudio]

Thanks Vince... yeah... that KO3mS is really an eye-catching one! 👍🏻😉😊

Edited March 17, 2020 by Claudio

[Daniel Krause]

Good luck!

You know to whom it belonged? 🙂

 

best,

Daniel 

[1812 Overture]

I feel that this group of bars needs three thousand euros. . Please note if the Prussian Crown Order is injured

[Leutwein]

8 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

Good luck!

You know to whom it belonged? 🙂

 

best,

Daniel 

 

Hello Daniel,

 

yes he should know 🙃😉

 

Incredible bar🤪

Good luck Claudio!

Regards,

Karsten 

[Claudio]

Dear collecting friends,

No, I don't know yet who might have worn this bar, but I think it must have been a general.

I really like how it has been mounted and the conditions of the medals and the "Feuervergoldung" of the battle bars (Gefechtsspangen).

By the way there was a thread, I think of Rick (Lundström RIP), about these battle bars and the research by the combinations of these bars to a specific army corps. I can't find it; somebody could post here a link of this thread? Thank you.

Sincerely,

C

 

[Daniel Krause]

Claudio,

I would not care for the 70/71 stuff. His more interesting career path was in the colonies... :-)

 

Best,

Daniel

[Leutwein]

28 minutes ago, Claudio said:

Dear collecting friends,

No, I don't know yet who might have worn this bar, but I think it must have been a general.

Hello Claudio,

 

Didn't you received my Email yesterday?

I wrote an Email to you and there was also mentioned the name of the owner

Regards 

Karsten 

 

Edited March 18, 2020 by Leutwein

[Claudio]

Hi Karsten!

Sorry I double checked my email boxes (hotmail.com / iCloud.com / mac.com and gmail ) but I couldn't find your email.

Just sent you a PM.

[Leutwein]

PM sent👍

Regards

Karsten

[VtwinVince]

OK, so who is the Traeger?

[Daniel Krause]

I will wait until it is sold to make it public.

Might influence the price.

 

Best,

Daniel 

[Leutwein]

Right👍

As Rick used to say:

-- but as ALWAYS in these cases, please anybody else do NOT post original wearer's name identification for any item up for sale while it is still for sale:

 

not only is that free/unearned data FOR some unknown seller's sole gain, but largely a waste of time for items which vanish into the Great Unknown anyway and are NOT brought home by Faithful Readers here.

 

 

Regards

 

Karsten

Edited March 18, 2020 by Leutwein

[VtwinVince]

Understood, I thought the piece was already sold.

[Paul R]

Based upon this...   I cannot wait to see if my hunch could be right!

Exciting stuff. 

[Simius Rex]

This is a very exciting medal bar where the owner obviously had a really strong connection to the colonial defense forces.  As soon as I saw it, I thought for-sure it may have belonged to Major-General Franz Mueller but then I saw the China Medal and as far as I know he did not actively participate in crushing the Boxers.  Or did he? On top of that, he was too young to participate in the 1866 War with Austria and his Red Eagle Order is missing. When is the auction? Simi.

Edited March 21, 2020 by Simius Rex

[Simius Rex]

Well, I have to take back what I said about Wilhelm Mueller being too young to participate in the 1866 War.  I was thumbing through an almanac last night and it seems this 15-16 year-old lad was already shooting at Austrians on the battlefield.  Not a big surprise, really, because about 70 soldiers under the age of 16 from my county alone were shooting at yankees in 1861-65 during the War of Northern Aggression.  Simi.      

[Simius Rex]

Well, I have to take back yet another thing I said earlier about Major General Mueller.  I was thumbing through a Military Wochenblatt and discovered he was awarded the Red Order 2nd Class with Oak Leaves and Swords on the Ring.  That probably meant he had to remove (and maybe give back) the Red Eagle on his medal bar which would explain its absence.  So that leaves only two unexplained things.  The presence of the China Medal and the absence of the princely HOH.  This begs the obvious question... how many freakin' publications does a person have to look through to get the full picture of an officer's awards?  Simi.

[Claudio]

The medal bars have been sold, the first one without the Austrian orders in the end at Eur 3'700 + commission and the second one (the more interesting one, to me), Eur 8'000.- + commission.

My congratulations to the buyer.

Cheers,

Claudio

Edited May 1, 2020 by Claudio

[Paul C]

The above bars are very interesting. An ID would be difficult as it is unknown  for which campaign the if the KO4X was awarded for. What color is the backing on each bar?

[Claudio]

39 minutes ago, Paul C said:

The above bars are very interesting. An ID would be difficult as it is unknown  for which campaign the if the KO4X was awarded for. What color is the backing on each bar?

Both plain red... as usual for such late 19th century medal bars.

C

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by Claudio

[Claudio]

See? Nothing special really...