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  1. It seems, that these terms were only used for the later 3rd model. But the in 1914 awarded decoration (therefore a 2nd model 3rd class) on the Kinzel bar was identic to the later Knight class.
  2. There are two person with this order: 28.11.1915 Bischoff, KP Major (Stab IR 166) 21.5.1916 Bischoff, Oskar, Major z.D. Regards, Komtur.
  3. Generalleutnant Prinz Karl Anton von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen Fürst Wilhelm von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
  4. There seems to be indeed no primary source. The secondary source Nimmergut (mentioned above) quotes in the case of the Hausorden von Hohenzollern with swords is Hans Möller-Witten. He is the author of Geschichte der Ritter des Ordens pour le mérite im Weltkrieg from 1935. In 1965 Möller-Witten published a short article in the Zeitschrift für Heereskunde about the Hausorden von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern. I add this article in the re-published version of 1980 (from Orden & Militaria Magazin). Another exception for receiving a pour le mérite without a Hausorden von Hohenzollern Ritterkreuz mit Schwertern before is General der Infanterie Roderich von Schöler.
  5. Because of its thickness I have no problem with this very nice cross. There were some different jewelers making this cross over the years: 1852-1859 Hossauer / Berlin, he sold his company to Sy & Wagner in 1859 1859-1887 Sy & Wagner / Berlin, they were to expensive, therefore the princly Hohezollern changed to: 1887-1892 S. Friedeberg Söhne / Berlin, company sold to Gebr. Friedländer in 1892 1892-1910 Gebr. Friedländer / Berlin, they were to expensive, therefore the princly Hohezollern changed to: 1910-???? J.G. Zimmerer Sohn / Sigmaringen, probable they did not produce the order by themthelves, but bought them from the company Zimmermann / Pforzheim ????-???? J. Godet & Sohn / Berlin, late producers, probably as recently as after 1918 ????-???? Gebr. Hemmerle / München, late producers, probably as recently as after 1918 Even if we can assume, that Hossauer gave his tools to Sy&Wagner in 1859 and S. Friedeberg did the same to Gebr. Friedländer in 1892, there should be at least five different versions of this order over the time. There are documents indicating, that very often returned decorations were repaired and awarded again. Therefore we must also expect chimaeras between different versions. Source (very recommendable): Link, Eva and Gauggel, Heinz: Fürstlich Hohenzollernsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen. Fridingen 1985. Regards, Komtur. PS: So please, before smashing it, send it back to old Germany
  6. Yes, that´s the one I own and had a cursory glance on it just now looking out for a supect person. But without luck and I am afraid, that he most of his decorations got later than 1907. But you are perfectly right, that is the only source we can use until now for that case.
  7. It should be a person in service for the Duchy Saxe-Coburg and Gotha because of position 2, 4 and 5 of the bar. Additionaly there is a tight connection to Bulgaria via Zar Ferdinand from the catholic tribe of this family. Therefore the linked Court and State book from the Grandduchy Saxe (-Weimar) in post 13 will not be of much use. Unfortunately there seem to be no later Court and State book of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha then 1907. I am afraid that the person we are looking for got most of his decorations after 1907, so we will have no luck with this source. He was a NCO for some years, but after this he must be in a higher civil rank, may be in personel connection with the ducal family of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. They gave their familiy order as well after 1918 till the early 1930-ies. May be he got the knight 2nd class of the house order in that time.
  8. They cared for Thailand princes until their military education in Germany, e.g. Arthur Freiherr von Eschwege did in 1902 for Prince Paribatra.
  9. Konsistorialrat Wilhelm Kuhlgatz got besides the Schaumburg-Lippe Ehrenkreuz 2. Klasse and the Sachsen-Weimar Falkenorden Komturkreuz the until 1890 from the principalities Lippe-Detmold and Schaumburg-Lippe (conjointly awarded) Ehrenkreuz 4. Klasse.
  10. Very fine and I am happy, that you got this one . It was the only lot, I would be interested in, but I was saturated for this year. Because of this before the auction I only had an unsuccessful glance on the lists. But I think, the former owner of this bar should be traceable. A navy medical officer is very likely.