The Prussian Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) What about the picture inside the Stein? Ludwig II died in 1886: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II_of_Bavaria Otto didn´t rule because of illness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_of_Bavaria Luitpold? : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luitpold,_Prince_Regent_of_Bavaria What, if the Stein is a fake? A have seen faked Steins with faked names before... A lot of fakes had the picture of Ludwig II: http://www.reservistenkrugsammler.de/Kopien_Faelschungen.php "Gerne wird auch das Portrait vom Bayernkönig Ludwig II. als Bodenbild bei Kopien verwendet. " (The portrait of the Bavarian King Ludwig II is also often used as a base picture for copies.) I wonder that at the bottom is only a thin red line instead the blue/white colours. Compare your Stein with the Stein in chapter 2.) Die Form des Krug Henkels It looks similar... Unfortunately there are a few facts against an original one. 1) Ludwig II (if he is it) 2) no blue/white stripes 3) no match with the name 4) there are no photos from the inside of the lid. The inside must be brighter than the outside 5) no list of comrades from the company. No list = no check... I have three Steins. Each has a list ( compare here): https://www.ebay.de/itm/Reservistenkrug-Infanterie-Leib-Regiment-7-Kompanie-Munchen-1904-1906/192824272047?hash=item2ce538e4af:g:4cwAAOSwuTxWArgv Edited March 3, 2019 by The Prussian
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 3, 2019 Author Posted March 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Prussian said: What about the picture inside the Stein? Ludwig II died in 1886: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II_of_Bavaria Otto didn´t rule because of illness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_of_Bavaria Luitpold? : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luitpold,_Prince_Regent_of_Bavaria What, if the Stein is a fake? A have seen faked Steins with faked names before... Hi, I do not have it in my hands yet, but these older Mugs are not that much of an issue, the fakes are usually the sexier ones... 1900 muga and earlier are too "blah blah... " ... I should have it next week...
The Prussian Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) I really hope you are right! Another thing that makes me wonder is the price. An original one from Leibregiment for under 200€... a little bit cheap, isn´t it? But I don´t want to make it bad. Let´s wait til it arrives! What would you say to the king? I´m really not sure, who he is Here is another site: http://www.reservistenkrug.de/replikas.html Edited March 3, 2019 by The Prussian
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 3, 2019 Author Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, The Prussian said: I really hope you are right! Another thing that makes me wonder is the price. An original one from Leibregiment for under 200€... a little bit cheap, isn´t it? But I don´t want to make it bad. Let´s wait til it arrives! What would you say to the king? I´m really not sure, who he is Here is another site: http://www.reservistenkrug.de/replikas.html Krugs have really come down in price over the last 20 years.... I have 11 Leiber Krugs, this one I think is maybe EUR140 tops... some similar ones I have have picked up for EUR120 ... Krugs 1890s up until maybe 1905 are really not the Renner... Most Krug collectors seem to focus on the ones from about 1905 - 1914 as they really improved in optics and quality... But even there you can get really bombastic ones for EUR350-400... I really do not have a problem with this one... it does not have the modern machine made design, it is a boring older one, Generic lid... Krugs are pretty well faked, but may be the easiest collecting field to tell the good from the bad. I hope it is here on Monday!! :-)
The Prussian Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) I wish you luck! But you´re right. It´s better to watch it "in hands" than "on photos". I have three Steins from my regiment (Feldart.Rgt.43). Two from ebay for between 250 and 300 each and one together with a Reservistenbild from the same person! Edited March 3, 2019 by The Prussian
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 3, 2019 Author Posted March 3, 2019 Bang! There you go... the Krugs you show are the more sexy ones... better lids, better artwork... The older ones are really ladenhüter....
The Prussian Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 It´s a pity, that no-one else said something to your Krug... Hopefully more when it arrives...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 6, 2019 Author Posted March 6, 2019 On 05/03/2019 at 04:47, The Prussian said: It´s a pity, that no-one else said something to your Krug... Hopefully more when it arrives... I hope it arrives today :-) Can anyone read the family name?
Claudio Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 I read "Familie ??? Dölfel ??? im Gunzenhausen Weissenburgerstrasse 44, Mittelfranken"... I noticed that there're still some people by this surname who lives in Gunzenhausen... Claudio
The Prussian Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Did you recieve it, Chris? Edited March 8, 2019 by The Prussian
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 9, 2019 Author Posted March 9, 2019 17 hours ago, The Prussian said: Did you recieve it, Chris? I am hoping today :-)
The Prussian Posted March 9, 2019 Posted March 9, 2019 The german Post works in two velocities. Slowly and very slowly...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 15, 2019 Author Posted March 15, 2019 Still nothing, I have contacted the seller....
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 16, 2019 Author Posted March 16, 2019 It arrived yesterday, it is kosher, but boring... has the hand painted details and all the good signs. By coincidence I found another of my older ones has the same Bodenbild but completely different Malerei. I guess they used old stocks of Blanko porcelain...
The Prussian Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 Do you have a photo from the inside of the lid?
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 16, 2019 Author Posted March 16, 2019 2 hours ago, The Prussian said: Do you have a photo from the inside of the lid? Hi, will get a pic done tonight. You had me so worried I was about to smash the Krug in frustration for buying a fake, but in the end I sent the pics to the gentleman who runs the Page you linked to above with the fake article. http://www.reservistenkrugsammler.de/Kopien_Faelschungen.php He confirms it is original. " Ihr Reservistenkrug ist ein Originalkrug, welcher aber Bodenrisse hat, was eine Preisminderung bedeutet. Der Soldat hat sich den Krug vielelicht nach seiner Entlassung machen lassen, weshalb der Krug keine Namensleiste hat. Der Krug ist aber trotzdem ein Original Reservistenkrug. " From what i understand, the krugs with the names of comrades etc are usually 20th century, when a system evolved and the Krugs got better. In the 1890s it was not that advanced and soldiers had them made after their service, with usually much more simple and old fashioned "Boring" Krugs. Phew... I was looking at my krugs and thinking "If THAT one is bad... then so is this one! and this one1" ;-)
The Prussian Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Hello Chris! Glad you didn´t smash it! Congrats to the Krug! I´m happy with you that it´s an original one! I just wonder about the picture of Ludwig..., but if the man said, it´s ok, it´ll be ok! He is a specialist Edited March 16, 2019 by The Prussian
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 16, 2019 Author Posted March 16, 2019 2 hours ago, The Prussian said: Hello Chris! Glad you didn´t smash it! Congrats to the Krug! I´m happy with you that it´s an original one! I just wonder about the picture of Ludwig..., but if the man said, it´s ok, it´ll be ok! He is a specialist I was tossing up smashing, or using it as my everyday beer mug :-)
Bayern Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Hello Gentlemen, King Ludwig died in 1886 .he was suceeded in the throne by his brother Otto . althoug Otto didnt reign effectively he was at all purpose the King of Bavaria . his uncle Prince Luitpold was the Regent . but all the documentation of the Kingdom was headed with Otto as King . inclusive the money was coined wih his portrait . He reigned from 1886 until the death of his uncle in 1912. in 1913 he was officially deposed and his cousin Ludwig was proclaimed King Ludwig III .
The Prussian Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) But that doesn´t explain the picture of Ludwig II. http://www.reservistenkrugsammler.de/Details.php What did the expert say acording to Ludwigs picture? Edited March 17, 2019 by The Prussian
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 I will ask, I am assuming the picture at the bottom is not necessarily the reigning monarch... maybe L II was instantly recognizable and a symbol of Bayern? Even today he is the most recognizable of the lot...
The Prussian Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 That's possible. Or maybe it's a Stein from before 86 painted in 97?
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, The Prussian said: That's possible. Or maybe it's a Stein from before 86 painted in 97? Very possible indeed, I just noticed i have another from the same era, also with L II... but painted in a very different color scheme... maybe someone had made way to many before LII died and there were still enough for years to come...
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