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    3 hours ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

    The "aus Bayern" is actually part of his title!

    Yes it is a "bastard branch" (is there any less offensive sounding term? "illegitimate" doesn't fit really, i think) of the house of Wittelsbach. The coat of arms also bearing a "Bastardfaden" (Baton sinister), quite interesting.

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    The Rebellion in the Ruhr territory carried by the Red Army of the Ruhr was a serious one , dangerous because the Rebels seized a rich industrial territory . to neutralize the rebellion the central government employed the Reichswehr and Freikorps .

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    On 07/01/2021 at 17:19, Chris Boonzaier said:

    Magic, thanks guys. "Ludwig Graf von Holnstein aus Bayern" from the General Kommando 1. bay. Armee Korps

    The "aus Bayern" is actually part of his title!

    Hello!

    Note, the title "Graf" was written before the name until 1920. ("Graf Ludwig von Holnstein"), After 1920 the "Graf" became part of the name.

    On June 23, 1920, the Prussian State Assembly passed the Prussian Law on the Abolition of the Prerogatives of the Nobility and the Dissolution of the House Property. According to this law on the nobility, which was adopted in a similar form by the other states of the German Reich, the primogeniture titles, which had also previously only belonged to the heads of families and rulers, were abolished. The general titles, which varied from family to family and were held by the other family members, became components of the family name. This means that former titles, such as prince or count, which previously belonged to all family members, were retained as components of the name, while titles such as king, grand duke, etc., which belonged only to the ruling persons (sovereign titles) or heads of families, were dropped altogether.

     

     

     

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    19 hours ago, The Prussian said:

    Note, the title "Graf" was written before the name until 1920. ("Graf Ludwig von Holnstein"), After 1920 the "Graf" became part of the name.

    That is the same that I read some years ago; true; after the new laws the titles became part of the name (not really as there is still the male and female form), so it is always "forename - title - surname", but this way of writing the names was already popular before. In Austria even more common than the title in front of the fist name form. It is most of the time something like "Franz Fürst Dietrichstein" or "Franz Fürst von Dietrichstein" not "Fürst Franz von Dietrichstein"; so it can be concluded that both forms were used before 1920.

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    Interesting... one can see he simplified the "r", but ornamented the one at the end of his name, which makes is look like a "d"; the U-Haken was unfortunately connected here with its "u", making it look like a "r" and the only difference of "s" and "ß" in his handwriting is, that he starts the next letter with a downstroke, when he means "ß" and the "I" and "J" looks identical in his handwriting.

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