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    Posted

    Hi, as extra info, he was here out the are, his location Aschaffenburg/Alzenau.... he also recieved the EK2 and BMVK 3rd class with swords during the war, then the beamten Ribbon one after the war....

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    Posted

    Doesn't look good, I would say a doctored Deschler 3rd class.

    I like the enamelled pre 1905 MVK though looks in great condition.

    Regards

    Pete

    • 6 months later...
    Posted (edited)

    Major Wilhelm Schwandner

    He got the KO4X and MVO4X in DSWA.

     

    Luipold-Medaille - 1905
    KO4X - 17.8.1905
    MVO4X - 07.12.1905
    MVO4X Kr - 28.9.1915
    Afrika DM - ?
    DK 2. Klasse - 3.1.1916
    EK2 - 12.6.1915
    EK1 - ?
    Er. Hochzeit - ab 1921
    VWA - ?
    FEK - 1934

     

    Fähnrich - 8.2.1899
    Leutnant - 7.3.1900
    Oerleutnant - 18.10.1909
    Hauptmann - 26.10.1914
    Major - 15.10.1919

    SAM_3743a.jpg

    Edited by Homerjey
    • 5 months later...
    Posted

    I have a simple question.  In regards to class 3 MVK's, I have noticed that some of them have a reddish copper-like finish that resembles the finish on a brand new USA penny.  However, I've seen others that have a gold-like finish with little or no red.  In regards to the 2 MVK's that are pictured, which has the better (more desirable) finish?

     

     

    MVK red crown rear.jpg

    Bavarian crown4.jpg

    Posted (edited)

    Hello,

    thats a Deschler MVK, not rare.
    The early variants o MVK`s from Weiss, Leser and Hemmerle are desirable.
    Also the onepiece MVK from Weiss and the zinc crown/swords variant.
    For example onepiece MVK
    MVK.3_Kl_Kr.X.Deschler.einteilig_Zink.thumb.JPG.24d89f8c312f89ece8f0e4fcd69c414f.JPGSeitansicht.thumb.jpg.5648a2ccce016573df690f8f336c3c81.jpg

    Deschler _ Sohn_ MVK einteilig.jpg

    Edited by spolei
    Posted

    spolei

    the first time i have heard of a one piece cross if you don't mind sharing your knowledge.

    what years were they made?

    only by Weiss or did others try this variation?

    Are these award pieces or a private purchase

    For the lower rank soldiers i think these are nice awards.

    regards,

    chuck 

     

    Posted
    21 hours ago, chuck said:

    spolei

    the first time i have heard of a one piece cross if you don't mind sharing your knowledge.

    what years were they made?

    only by Weiss or did others try this variation?

    Are these award pieces or a private purchase

    For the lower rank soldiers i think these are nice awards.

    regards,

    chuck 

     

    Hello Chuck,
    the onepiece cross were made in the 1918s.
    The manufacturers had to produce cheaper decorations,so they made one-piece crosses with seperate swords.
    Weiss made only a few of copper ( non ferrous metal) with copper swords third class with swords and crown/swords.
    Deschler startet with copper crosses and change to zink crosses with iron swords.
    The third Class with crown and swords is rare.
    In my collection ther is a coppered zinc-cross with swords.
    Here some examples
    Deschler zinc coppered, zinc crown swords.
    Deschler coppered ( look at the backside agraffe) and Deschler zinc.

    Weiss onepiece swords and crown swords.589646529e93e_onepieceDeschlerav.thumb.JPG.1c79b791c2c5064b25623162571b464e.JPG

    onepiece Deschler rv.JPG

    onepiece Weiss av.JPG

    onepiece Weiss rv.JPG

    MVK Einteiler (2).JPG

    Posted

    very nice.

    I have the Deschler zinc with swords and have been looking for the crowned version, and  have not seen one for sale recently. very interesting to see that Deschler was not the only manufacturing company that changed the production at the end of the war.

     

    thank you,

    chuck

    Posted

    On the End of war there were four manufacturer, Leser, Hemmerle, Deschler and Weiß.
    Lauer produces till 1916. I think that's the reason why Lauer has only blue boxes.
    In 1916 something changes for the bavarian decorations, the golden parts would be silver guilt,
    the ribbons become smaller and the boxes change to a simply red box.
    It would be interesting to know the productions of all manufacturers and all classes in the seperate years of war.
    Regards Spolei
     

    Posted

    Neal O'Conner book VOL II states the Prussian official changed to silver gilt by supreme Cabinet Order of Wilhelm II on November 16, 1916. i would reasonably assume that the other states also had trouble supplying gold for all the decoration and awards and followed suit after the kaisers decree.

     

    Chuck

    • 3 months later...
    Posted

    I was wondering if someone could tell me the maker and the approximate date of issue for my latest addition to the family.  

    GH 950 on the back of the Agraffe

    GH 900 on the back of the sword.

    Thanks.

     

     

    Bavarian MVO--Front.jpg

    Bavarian MVO--Rear.jpg

    Posted (edited)

    The GH stands for Gebruder Hemmerle, a well known Bavarian jeweler.  It is a 1914-18 period piece since it is on a wartime ribbon.

    Edited by Beau Newman
    Posted
     

    The GH stands for Gebuder Hemmerle, a well known Bavarian jeweler.  It is a 1914-18 period piece since it is on a wartime ribbon.

    Beau,

    Thank you very much.  I was looking at various photos of various variants (tongue twister), and of all the variants that I had looked at, I thought my medal looked most like the Hemmerle variants.  However, I didn't know that Hemmerle's first name was Gebuder so I wasn't aware of the connection between the GH and Hemmerle.   Thanks for clearing that up for me!  :) 

    David

    Posted
     

    Beau,

    Thank you very much.  I was looking at various photos of various variants (tongue twister), and of all the variants that I had looked at, I thought my medal looked most like the Hemmerle variants.  However, I didn't know that Hemmerle's first name was Gebuder so I wasn't aware of the connection between the GH and Hemmerle.   Thanks for clearing that up for me!  :) 

    David

    Hi,

    Gebruder Hemmerle means "The Hemmerle brothers"

    Best

    Chris

    • 2 months later...
    Posted
    On 18.7.2017 at 20:22, laurentius said:

    Hello

    What do you guys think of this piece? Thanks in advance

    Kind regards Laurentius

    IMG-20170717-WA0041.jpg

    OMG
    Bad fake

    • 3 months later...
    Posted (edited)

    I have noticed a few MVKs (1. Kl mX und Kr) for sale lately. I thought I would add them here for future reference.

    I Look forward to hearing peoples opinions on originality.

    No.1

    BMVK 1.jpeg

    BMVK 2.jpeg

    No.2

    BMVK ebay1.jpg

    BMVK ebay2.jpg

    BMVK ebay3.jpg

    BMVK ebay4.jpg

    BMVK ebay5.jpg

    No.3 (Pics taken from  eMedals website)

    BMVK eMedals1.jpg

    BMVK eMedals2.jpg

    BMVK eMedals3.jpg

    BMVK eMedals4.jpg

    BMVK eMedals5.jpg

    BMVK eMedals6.jpg

    BMVK eMedals7.jpg

    BMVK eMedals8.jpg

    Edited by Alan

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