Soderbaum Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Hi AlexI have some problems with "all" Harms who served as Marine flyers. It apparently existed three (maybe four) Anyway I have a note that Gerhard Harms did 91 front flights in SFS List before he joined See 1 on 2 Jun 1917. If this is a correct scenario he should have receivedthe BeoAbz in 1915 or 1916 ? I havent checked the KTB of SFS List.I have him born in Bremen but no date.Gunnar
Odulf Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 My contribution:- Staffel Christiansen, Seeflugstation Flandern (Zeebrügge). With third from right Oberleutnant der Reserve Friedrich Christiansen (in 1939 General der Flieger)- Marine-Luftschiff- Abteilung
jaba1914 Posted June 21, 2015 Author Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Great contribution Odulf. Don't stop.@ Gunnar, you are right. The Harms who received the observer badge on 21.05.1918 is not Gerhard. It should be the Art.Mt. Harms from LFA who was at LFS Barge and later promoted to Vz.Fl.Mst.d.R. on 21.08.1918.But Gerhard was canceled from the list of observer on 19th Sept. 1918.That means the date of award to Gerhard Harms is missing.RegardsAlex Edited June 22, 2015 by jaba1914
ccj Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 What was the main purpose of the Naval Air Service in WW!?Was it offensive raids on England or coastal air defense?
jaba1914 Posted June 21, 2015 Author Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) My contribution:- Staffel Christiansen, Seeflugstation Flandern (Zeebrügge). With third from right Oberleutnant der Reserve Friedrich Christiansen (in 1939 General der Flieger)from left to right:Flugmaat Huthmacher (P), Lt.z.S. Eugen Zapp (B), Vizeflugmeister Hilger (B), Lt.z.S. Friedrich Christiansen (P), Flugmaat Karl Elsaesser (B), Lt.d.R.M.A. Hans Röver (P) Edited June 21, 2015 by jaba1914
Claudius Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 from left to right:Flugmaat Huthmacher (P), Lt.z.S. Eugen Zapp (B), Vizeflugmeister Hilger (B), Lt.z.S. Friedrich Christiansen (P), Flugmaat Karl Elsaesser (B), Lt.d.R.M.A. Hans Röver (P)WOW! I don't think I have ever seen that many naval guys together all wearing their flight badges. What an outstanding photo to own! Thank you for sharing. @Alex -Thank you for the identification.
jaba1914 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 I thought I show you my work.Regards Alex
Claudius Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I thought I show you my work.Regards AlexI like those enhancements! I especially like the look of the naval badge. It really stands out but has a nice patina color. Great job.! I would like to see more of these that you do.
Hagrid Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 Hi Alex!Nice thread you have started here!I just stumbled over a picture for sale at Ebay, that might fit in here pretty good...(quick rip ) What impresses me most is the striking military posture of the naval flyer...RegardsHagrid
jaba1914 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Posted October 4, 2015 Hi Alex!Nice thread you have started here!I just stumbled over a picture for sale at Ebay, that might fit in here pretty good...(quick rip ) What impresses me most is the striking military posture of the naval flyer...RegardsHagridHi Hagrid,welcome here. I'm glad that your first post is on this thread. Maybe it was the reason for your sign in. I hope you can contribute something on this thread.Kind regardsAlex
Hagrid Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 (...) I hope you can contribute something on this thread.Kind regardsAlex"Thy wish shall be granted! " This little "precious" arrived just the other day - I think one doesn´t see them too often:A miniature (or Prinzen) sized marine observer without hardware, probably meant for a clasp.Measuring 45 mm from the tip of the cross to the bottom of the bow (49 mm with the loop included) and 30 mm at the broadest part.Decorated with a sweethearts engraving and date (purportedly of their marriage).Made of guilded silver, with "800" and "halfmoon and crown stamping", little traces of wear on the obverse.I would assume by it´s style and the way the stamps look like that it was made by Schaper...I like it.RegardsHagrid
jaba1914 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Posted October 5, 2015 (...)I would assume by it´s style and the way the stamps look like that it was made by Schaper...I like it. I like it too. And I agree with you regarding the maker. Not certain but possible.RegardsAlex
Claudius Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 A miniature (or Prinzen) sized marine observer without hardware, probably meant for a clasp.Measuring 45 mm from the tip of the cross to the bottom of the bow (49 mm with the loop included) and 30 mm at the broadest part.Decorated with a sweethearts engraving and date (purportedly of their marriage).Made of guilded silver, with "800" and "halfmoon and crown stamping", little traces of wear on the obverse.What a great little piece! I think it is too small to be a Prinzen piece. I think it was a more unique size, and it was something that his wife specifically ordered and added the loop (for his watch chain?) If so, then I think it was a late wedding present or an early anniversary present, because as an active duty Naval Observer I would think he would be wearing his uniform and pin-backed badge. I love the engraving. Very touching and correct.
jaba1914 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Posted October 5, 2015 Here a nice see pilot badge probable from the same maker.
Claudius Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 Another great little badge. What are the dimensions on this one? Can we see a close up of the markings?
jaba1914 Posted November 8, 2015 Author Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Hagrid, your observer mini reminds me on this miniature I had once. It is engraved similar to yours. Regards Alex Edited November 8, 2015 by jaba1914
jaba1914 Posted November 29, 2015 Author Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) I want to present you Flugzeugobermatrose Christian Schmidt from I. SFA. Bronce gilded observer badge and miniature from same maker. Portrait of Christian Schmidt from 1919. Edited November 29, 2015 by jaba1914
jaba1914 Posted November 29, 2015 Author Posted November 29, 2015 Yes, Chris. Including some documents from WW2. Regards Alex
larsb001 Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Hello Alex. A most beautiful set you have! But you use the word "miniature" for the small sized badge, but I would say that the below shown badge is a miniature. But I often see this smaller sized badge described as a miniature and it seems to be a size used for the majority of the various aviation badges. Was this an official size for these different aviation badges and thus described as a miniature by the manufacturer? Regards, Lars
bolewts58 Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 On 11/29/2015, 6:35:32, jaba1914 said: I want to present you Flugzeugobermatrose Christian Schmidt from I. SFA. Bronce gilded observer badge and miniature from same maker. Portrait of Christian Schmidt from 1919. The correct term for the smaller version of the pilot badge is 'Prinzengrosse' (not really a miniature) which literally means 'Prince's Size" and refers back to the practice in the 19th century of making 2/3 size orders and decorations for young princes of the German courts.You often see photos of Crown Prince Wilhelm as a boy wearing Prinzengrosse breast stars. Most famously, Kaiser Wilhelm I wore a Prinzengrosse medal bar in order to fit his many orders and decorations on a single bar.
Hagrid Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Some pics I´ve found on my computer...mostly from ebay. They fit in here pretty good: 1. unknown observer 2. pilot Ludwig Liebig 3. pilot (?) - what happened to his badge? Looks like a cut-out version or is it a flaw on the picture? Regards Hagrid I´ve enhanced the last picture in detail: It looks like an observer badge with an ink (?) stain on the photo... Strange. Regards Hagrid
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