For Research 14 place mega medal bar (Imperial officer later RAD), Godet

[Claudio]

Dear forumites,

I am particularly proud to show you my latest purchase... I think some of you have already seen it before .

Here's the description of the medals (according to the seller):

• Preußen: eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, 1914;
• Königlicher Hausorden von Hohenzollern, RK mit Schwertern (Stempel „S&W”, Silbermarken und „937“);
• Hessen-Darmstadt: allgemeines ehrenzeichen „für Tapferkeit“;
• Lippe-detmold: Kriegsverdienstkreuz, an Band für Kämpfer, 1914 – 1918; S
• Schaumburg- Lippe: Kreuz für treue Dienste, am Kämpferband, 1914 – 1917;
• 3. Reich: Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer;
• Weimarer republik: schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen 2. Stufe;
• Preußen: DA-Kreuz für 25 dienstjahre der Offiziere, 5. Form;
• 3. Reich: RAD DA 4. stufe für 4 Dienstjahre;
• Preußen: Zentenarmedaille, 1897;
• Ungarn: Weltkriegserinnerungsmedaille 1914 – 1918 mit Schwertern;
• Bulgarien: Weltkriegserinnerungsmedaille 1915 – 1918;
• Chile: Silberkreuz des National-Verdienstordens;
• Chile: Zentenarmedaille der Republik, 1910

Enjoy... I appreciate all comments or thought on this mega bar.

ciao,

Claudio

[Claudio]

... I think it might be a KM Officer with that Chilean awards in the end... ;-)

[Glenn J]

I think RAD-Arbeitsführer and Major a.D. Richard Exner is looking good for this bar.

HIs known awards:

HOH3X

DA

Cent

HT

LK

SLK

SchlesA2

RADDA

BKDM

CV3

ChileCent 1910

UKDM

Regards

Glenn

[Paul C]

Yes agreed.

Edited October 12, 2013 by Paul C

[P.F.]

Hi Claudio,

What an impressive medal bar, especially with those Chilean decorations.

Kind regards

Pierce

[Chris Boonzaier]

Thats pretty RAD!

There must have been a medal exchange, when I visited the Naval Museum in Chile they had quite a few German imperial medals on display.

[Claudio]

Wow Glenn, that was quick... Thanks! Also thank you Paul for your confirmation...

Any information on his pre-1914 or WWI service?

C

[dond]

Another great bar Claudio.

[redeagleorder]

Very nice bar, and a great example of how in such cases they used smaller ribbons to get everything to fit!

[VtwinVince]

Great Schnalle, Claudio, I love these ones with the Chilean stuff.

[Glenn J]

Claudio,

Any information on his pre-1914 or WWI service?

A pre-war regular field artillery officer (although originally an infantry officer in IR 62 and IR 150). He was commanding 3./Mindensches Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 58 in 1914 having transferred to the field artillery (FAR 73) in 1906.

Hauptmann: 1.10. 12 A

Oberleutnant: 18.5.05 L1 (FAR 73)

Sekonde-Lieutenant/Leutnant: 18.8.95 X4x

He served with RFAR 14 during WW1.

Glenn

[P.F.]

Here are his entries in the 1914 Ranklist and 1926 Honour Ranklist.

Kind regards

Pierce

[Claudio]

Thank you Glenn and Pierce! I am wondering how a German Officer of the Artillery or Infantry could get Decorations from Chile...

Maybe he was never in Chile but as Chris said, it could have been an exchange of "favours"...

ciao,

C

Edited October 13, 2013 by Claudio

[rujab]

Klasse Spange, Gratulation

Gruss

Rudi

[Claudio]

Danke Rudi! Unfortunately for you only one Hessen decoration on it...

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Claudio,

nice one!!! Congratulations!

I did the ID for this bar to one of the previous owners a couple of years ago - now it came nameless to the market again...

At least I am happy the it found a new good home! :-)

lots of greetings

Daniel

[Claudio]

Thanks Daniel... ;-)

What I don't understand is why then this bar wasn't sold with a name. Maybe because the original wearer of the bar was not so interesting? If I would ever sell my bars they would come with their names and research details.

C

[Claudio]

Wow! Now I know where Major a.D. got all his medals with the 14 FAR... they fought the whole war with 13 ID on the Western front in the most bloody battle fields of France (Verdun among others).

It would be nice to be able to see his Kriegsrangliste, if there's still one on him.. it could tell quite interesting tales...

• 13. Infanterie-Division (1914-18 nur an der Westfront):
• 9.-16.8.1914 Eroberung von Lüttich
• 13.8.1914 Fleron
• 14.8.1914 Einnahme des Forts Chaudfontaine
• 16.8.1914 Einnahme des Forts Hollogne und Flemalle
• 21.8.1914 Gefecht bei Obaiz
• 22.8.1914 Gefecht bei Peronnes-Mont Ste.-Adelgonde
• 23.-24.8.1914 Schlacht bei Namur
• 25.8.-7.9.1914 Belagerung und Einnahme von Meubeuge (Teile)
• 29.-30.8.1914 Schlacht bei St.-Quentin
• 4.9.1914 Gefecht bei Montmacon
• 6.-9.9.1914 Schlacht am Petit-Morin
• 12.9.-4.10.1914 Kämpfe bei Reims
• 5.-13.10.1914 Schlacht bei Arras
• 13.10.-13.12.1914 Stellungskämpfe in Flandern und Artois
• 15.-28.10.1914 Schlacht bei Lille
• 31.10.-11.11.1914 Gefechte um die Loretto-Kapelle bei Ablain
• 1.-9.11.1914 Neuve-Chapelle
• 14.-24.12.1914 Dezemberschlacht in Französisch-Flandern
• 25.12.1914-8.5.1915 Stellungskämpfe in Flandern und Artois
• 25.1.1915 Gefecht bei Givenchy-les-La Bassee
• 10.-14.3.1915 Schlacht bei Neuve-Chapelle
• 9.5.-23.7.1915 Schlacht bei La Bassee und Arras
• 24.7.-24.9.1915 Stellungskämpfe in Flandern und Artois
• 25.9.-13.10.1915 Herbstschlacht bei La Bassee und Arras
• 14.10.1915-27.3.1916 Stellungskämpfe in Flandern und Artois
• 27.3.-4.6.1916 Reserve der O. H.-L. bei Tournai
• 5.6.-8.9.1916 Schlacht bei Verdun
• 15.-18.6.1916 Kämpfe am Toten Mann
• 9.-22.9.1916 Schlacht an der Somme
• 23.9.1916-31.3.1917 Stellungskämpfe vor Verdun
• 6.12.1917 Kämpfe auf der Höhe 304
• 28.12.1917 Kämpfe auf dem "Toten Mann"
• 25.-28.1.1917 Kämpfe auf der Höhe 304
• 18.-29.3.1917 Kämpfe am Wald von Malancourt und auf Höhe 304
• 1.4.-10.5.1917 Stellungskämpfe vor Verdun
• 10.-27.5.1917 Doppelschlacht Aisne-Champagne
• 28.5.-23.10.1917 Stellungskämpfe am Chemin des Dames
• 8. und 10.6.1917 Kämpfe östlich Cerny
• 28.6.-3.7.1917 Erstürmung der Höhenlinie des Chemin des Dames südöstlich Cerny
• 25.-26.7.1917 Erstürmung der französischen Stellung auf dem Chemin des Dames von Cerny bis zur Hurtebise-Ferme
• 31.7.-2.8.1917 Erstürmung der Höhenlinie des Chemin des Dames südöstlich Cerny
• 23.10.1917 Gefecht bei Chavignon
• 24.-26.10.1917 Nachhutkämpfe an und südlich der Ailette
• 26.10.-20.11.1917 Reserve der Heeresgruppe deutscher Kronprinz
• 20.11.1917-5.2.1918 Stellungskämpfe vor Verdun
• 5.2.-20.3.1918 Reserve der O. H.-L.
• 15.2.-20.3.1918 Kämpfe in der Siegfriedstellung und Vorbereitungszeit für die "Große Schlacht in Frankreich"
• 21.-22.3.1918 Durchbruch zwischen Gouzeaucourt und Vermand
• 21.3.-6.4.1918 Große Schlacht in Frankreich
• 23.-26.3.1918 Verfolgungskämpfe im Sommegebiet
• 25.3.1918 Erstürmung der Höhen bei Maurepas
• 7.4.-7.8.1918 Kämpfe an der Ancre, Somme und Avre
• 24.-26.4.1918 Schlacht vei Villers-Bretonneux, an Luce und Avre
• 8.-20.8.1918 Abwehrschlacht zwischen Somme und Avre
• 8.-9.8.1918 Tankschlacht zwischen Ancre und Avre
• 10.-12.8.1918 Schlacht an der Römerstraße
• 22.8.-2.9.1918 Schlacht Albert-Peronne
• 9.-28.9.1918 Stellungskämpfe in Lothringen und den Vogesen
• 29.9.-9.10.1918 Abwehrschlacht in der Champagne und an der Maas
• 10.-12.10.1918 Kämpfe vor der Hunding- und Brunhildfront
• 13.-31.10.1918 Abwehrkämpfe zwischen Argonnen und Maas
• 1.-4.11.1918 Kämpfe zwischen Aisne und Maas
• 5.-11.11.1918 Abwehrschlacht in der Champagne und an der Maas
• 12.11.1918 Räumung des besetzten Gebietes und Marsch in die Heimat

[Paul R]

That is one hell of a looker. I am surprised that with all of that, he did not receive the EK1 as well.

[JasonA]

Congratulations, Claudio! Another superb (and named) bar for your collection with plenty of further research opportunities to flesh you.

Happy researching.

[Dave Danner]

That is one hell of a looker. I am surprised that with all of that, he did not receive the EK1 as well.

He had the House Order of Hohenzollern, so he certainly also had the EK1.

He was born in Oppeln, now Opole, Poland. He was severely wounded in 1915 with 7./RFAR 14, so he presumably also had a Wound Badge. I presume the wounding occurred during the "Herbstschlacht bei La Bassee und Arras", as it was published in the Prussian casualty list of 19 October 1915, and the same list included OLt.d.R. Josef Freiherr von Fürstenberg, who was killed on 29.9.15 with 2./RFAR 14. Fürstenberg was killed at the Ferme d'Hurtebise on the Chemin des Dames. I note that the 13.ID Gefechtskalendar shows they were fighting around Hurtebise again in 1917.

Regards

[Claudio]

Thanks Dave for your additional information. I also hardly believed that Exner didn't get the EK1. In fact I consider the HHOX a bit a sort of DKiG for officer in WW1. Also PlM-Träger Ernst Jünger got it if after he was awarded the EK1, for example. Furthermore a Battalion commander being all that time at the front and being wounded, it is almost impossible to believe that he didn't got the EK1.

Strangely enough however this guy seems not have been awarded with EK1: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/12795-i-am-after-mackensens-mini-chain/?hl=%2Bvon+%2Bmackensen Very likely because he wasn't directly involved at the front, but more as a mere liaison/aide-de-camp Officer.

ciao,

C

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Claudio,

Mackensen did NOT get an EK1.

It is nice to read in the recent bbography of GFM v.Mackensen, that his son was more or less the whole war the ADC of Prince AuWi and was not involved in "real" fighting.

Lots of greetings

Daniel

[Claudio]

Yes, Daniel, if you read my post I wrote so... I still remember the comment on that of poor Rick! The reason I posted here so much is because I wanted especially him to see such beautiful bars, not only to get some info for free, but because I know quite for sure that he really enjoyed it, especially when I could reunite some pieces of a specific group, like in fact v.Mackensen group. I wish he could see this bar... he would have liked it a lot.

... nevertheless, also without EK1, von Mackensen got some really nice orders... It's interesting to notice that the longest medal bars I have in my collection (bars with more than 10 up to 14 orders and medals) are almost from quite anonymes officers ("mere" Hptm up to Oberstleutnants) or officers without any real front experience.

Edited October 20, 2013 by Claudio

[Glenn J]

Chaps,

RFAR 14, with the exception of some elements spending a few days under command of other higher formations, spent the entire war under command 14. Reserve-Division.

Glenn