paddywhack Posted May 10, 2008 Posted May 10, 2008 sadly iv none to add but i DO have to say i want one i want one i want one i want one i want one!!!!!
seeheld Posted May 18, 2008 Posted May 18, 2008 This one is in my collection...Second class with swords!
Wild Card Posted May 18, 2008 Posted May 18, 2008 A classic pre-1909 example by Siebricht. As nice as they come! Congratulations and best wishes, Wild Card
Wild Card Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 Hi Yankee,Have you posted this piece before? I have seen it, or one just like it, somewhere. Obviously it is not a standard issue piece and I seriously doubt that it is an intentional fake produced for the collector?s market.That leaves at least two other possibilities. The first would be that it is a spangenstuck. I would point out, however, that from what I have seen over the years, spangenstuck invariably have plain (without detail) metal reverses. The other possibility that comes to mind is that it could be a sales display piece. Any other ideas out there?Regards,Wild CardP.S. As you know, but for the benefit of others, the ribbon is incorrect.
Yankee Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 Hi Yankee,Have you posted this piece before? I have seen it, or one just like it, somewhere. Obviously it is not a standard issue piece and I seriously doubt that it is an intentional fake produced for the collector?s market.That leaves at least two other possibilities. The first would be that it is a spangenstuck. I would point out, however, that from what I have seen over the years, spangenstuck invariably have plain (without detail) metal reverses. The other possibility that comes to mind is that it could be a sales display piece. Any other ideas out there?Regards,Wild CardP.S. As you know, but for the benefit of others, the ribbon is incorrect.Hi Wild CardI had posted this exact one last year to be ID & nobody knew for sure why it was manufactured as such, but it was worth a shot since there are a lot of international collectors on this forum. Some very advanced collectors have examined this badge over the years and were unable to explain it. My best guess would be a prototype but that is only my feelings. A thread for the unexplained would be sometning worth considering. Thanks for your input.SincerelyYankee
Stogieman Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 OK, it's been awhile... but I am scratching my head on those last two outstanding pieces!!
Roman Slivin Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Does not enter into sphere of my interests, but very much it is pleasant to me.I hope it not a fake?
Stogieman Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Hi Roman, is this a commander's cross? I cannot imagine this to be a copy as the detail is exquisite... but I have not seen that round Laurel leaf suspension loop before?(of course I have not seen a Commander's Cross before either!)Very beautiful and I will defer to a more-experienced member on authenticity...Wildcard!? out there??
Roman Slivin Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Yes, it Commander's Cross. But I am not skilled in such subjects and I can be mistaken...
Stogieman Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Hi Roman, best way to tell is size. What is height/width in mm.?Thanks!
scottplen Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 here one with prizen size ek2 a little homemade bar !
epsomgreen Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 I picked up this interesting little Bandspange at the MAX show in October.Charles
saschaw Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 Sorry epsomgreen, but I do absolutely not like that bar. It looks much like a modern put-together to me.
epsomgreen Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 //It looks much like a modern put-together to me.Hello Saschaw:That's entirely possible. I had some reservations when I purchased it as the dealer had a mixture of original and fantasy bars. The individual ribbons and backing material pass the black light test and seem to be of the period. Though it appears gold, under 10x magnification the Frontline Service Clasp (Bew?hrungsabzeichen?) is silvered metal with tarnish.Should it be cobbled together, one wonders why an EK2 ribbon wasn't thrown in for that added touch of je ne sais quoi.At least the price was within reason. Is it the combination with the Mecklenburgische and Lippesche awards that make it smell bad?Thanks for your input.Regards,Charles
saschaw Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 Honestly, I don't know what makes it smell bad. It just does. Here's the matching medal bar that was offered on eBay some years ago. As bad as your ribbon bar, says my guts. Maybe they're wrong and both are fine - but I'd really wonder. On friday I've been to the Kassel show. At least a third of German medal bars were faked, presumbaly even more. I didn't count them, but it wasn't a good feeling seeing that many put-togethers... :speechless1:
kong Posted December 1, 2008 Posted December 1, 2008 I also have problems with the bar. I miss the iron cross. One had to get only the iron cross, before one got the brunswick cross. Moreover, the man was more than two years in the front.
Ulsterman Posted December 1, 2008 Posted December 1, 2008 (edited) Here's the matching medal bar that was offered on eBay some years ago. As bad as your ribbon bar, says my gut. Maybe they're wrong and both are fine - but I really wonder. On Friday I went to the Kassel show. At least a third of German medal bars were faked, presumably even more. I didn't count them, but it wasn't a good feeling seeing that many put-together bars./quote]35% at Kassel were put together bars? Were there any salient characteristics? That is, specific or typical patterns to the fakes? Edited December 1, 2008 by Ulsterman
saschaw Posted December 1, 2008 Posted December 1, 2008 35% at Kassel were put together bars? Were there any salient characteristics? That is, specific or typical patterns to the fakes?Well, just a rough guess. May have been few... or more... The typical stuff as eCrap, many with Austrian WWI awards on German style bars and they all looked very new, using fresh repro ribbons. My absolutely favorite was a three place bar with KDM 1813/14, Iron Cross 1813 and a veteran association award from 1880s. Great repro bar with an even greater altered 1914 EK II - for 950,- Euro.... Most, if not all faked bars that I saw there would be recognized as such here, even from pictures. So all is still "fine", I think. At least for us that know a little about our stuff... :unsure:
epsomgreen Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 //Here's the matching medal bar that was offered on eBay some years ago.//Hi Saschaw:I'm amazed. You must have an encyclopedic dossier on these auction oddities. You also remembered the medal bar I purchased from Zeige in post Post #129.No one likes wasting his money on fakes , but it was almost worth it just to see the corresponding medal bar.Thanks again,Charles
Yankee Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 A small addition to a fantastic thread. 3rd quarter 19th century example.
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