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I love that german saying, is there an english equivilent to it? I know: to keep your power dry but I am not sure if there is a closer translation to it.

I go along with VtwinVince and Simius Rex, the oldenburg is brutal bad! Take this honor cross 3rd class awarded to the owner in 1915 and see the quality it was made of!

Well, I have found a captain / Hauptmann Schön in the adressbook of Deutsch Ost Afrika from 1913. I have underlined his name, maybe he is your Ernst Schön.

I am pretty sure, that Ernst is correct and Earnst is just a typo!

Very lovely bar and with a photo of the original owner of it, that is most impressive!

you are welcome!

yeah this really sucks! I have bought a nice photo and some weeks later found the exact same but with better quality, so there is much fraud even here.

Oh, sorry I must have been tired or blind this morning, here he is:

Hi, I have checked my lists, but couldn't find a Johann Maurer, sorry! I have checked officiers, ncos and soldiers.

Thx for your great work, much appreciated!

Yes, it is scheduled to be published in may this year. So I fear that you need to wait a little bit longer. After being published I can share a bit more of information in this forum too.

are there any orders or medals out there, which are not being faked by these f***kers?

Hm, what is overprized? If I would be looking for one and I need to complete a bar, I would be willing to pay more than the average nimmergut price tag. And don't forget prices are on the run. A price to high been paid hurts once, a bar never completed hurts longer! IMHO

you are talking about the case? No that is not an original case for an IC2, even the inlet is a modern one( produced this century) at least imho. The case may be old, but was never intended to house an ic2, maybe for some jewellery or what ever.

Well it is not German writings looks like hungarian to me, so sorry I can't help translating it.

wonderfull! These are the moments we live for as medal collectors! Congratulations on it.

I love this one, I have taken your photos and sent it to a friend of mine who happens to be a collector of Oldenburg. He was very amused about it, because he was the guy who sold this one to you. So the world is a small place if it comes to collectors of medals and orders!

Interesting, this must be a bar for a prussian with some connections to austria. How many bravery medals were given to Germans in WW1, does anyone have the numbers? PS: the missing of the hindenburg cross tells its own story of the original owner.

Hi Bob, yes it says IC2 and wound badge in black.

While I could find Adolph Graf von Kielmansegge as Captain in the Garde Grenadier Regiment in Kgl Hannovaerian Adresskalender from 1821, I couldn't find von Schlepegrell neither in any of the infantery regiments nor on the warte liste. If I have time I may also look the calendar from 1819 on the weekend. Maybe we have more luck there. PS: in the list of the retired officers I couldn't find him either, so are you sure he survied 1815?

Well, I know at least two PlM wearer who joined the SA: Daniel Gerth (PlM 1st oct 1918, killed during the Roehm night) Hermann Göring might be some few more

yepp: here it is!

I have been asked to post the photo of the linked interview with Paul Krecklow as some of you can't open the link. As it is from the long gone magazin unifom market I guess it is okay to post it here.

yes Daniel you are right, I mixed these numbers up, yours are correct!

Hi Trooper, that's a fantastic question and I have to confess that I don't know the answer. In the documents in the archiv of Wolfenbuettel regarding the life saving medal there was no information regarding this topic. For other medals you could find drafts and letters with discussions on the design and how they should be changed, but none on this one. So we may have to guess. the medal bar shown above shows the revers side of the lsm, most of the bars that I know of have this medal mounted that way, I guess it is because this side is extremly beautyfull. The revers shows the goddess nike with a leave of laurel putting her feet on a sea worm and showing upwards to the stars with her second hand. One has to know, that allmost every lsm being awarded were given to people who saved other from drowning. So this is the symbol the sea worm stands for. I think that the stars positioned to form a ring is a symbol for perfectness and maybe the cutter of this medal chose the number of eight stars because then the size of the stars fits best in this ring. In the flag of the EU we have 12 and this number has a rich history and meaning in many religions. The symbol how I read this medal is: By saving somebodys life you reach out to the stars. because it is the perfect deed. Take a look at this hidden symbol on the avers side of the lsm from Brunswick, nobody knows the meaning of this either. Is this the sign from the original designer of the die? It looks like the greek gamma, in latin it would be a C. The meaning of it?