v.Perlet Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 Hello ostprussenmann_new, ..... I do not know. In case you might want to know. Generalleutnant Ernst Freiherr von Forstner - the photo was taken (see your picture) in 1939, presumably after August 1939 - the Reichswehr was transformed into the Wehrmacht in 1935. As such he is wearing a Wehrmacht uniform. NSDAP is a party whose members wore their own distinctive Party uniform (yellow-brownish color) e.g. Goebbels and Goering on the below photo. Goering before being appointed Chief of the Luftwaffe was also a General of the Infantry in both the Reichswehr and the Wehrmacht - see photo. - on the colored one you can see that the Reichsadler already beholds a swastika - so it would be Wehrmachtsuniform. Maybe this helps a bit. Regards v.Perlet
v.Perlet Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) Hello gents, found this photo whilst searching for a Goering photo in party uniform. The tall chap with spectacles on the left and the chap standing next to the Austrian seem to wear the Pour le Merite? Regards v.Perlet Edited February 11, 2022 by v.Perlet
BlackcowboyBS Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 Well, I know at least two PlM wearer who joined the SA: Daniel Gerth (PlM 1st oct 1918, killed during the Roehm night) Hermann Göring might be some few more
Glenn J Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 Morning, the plm holder next to AH is Kurt Kühme. Regards Glenn 2
Tupper Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 On 10/02/2022 at 05:04, ccj said: Could you post a larger, more clear photos of the group? It’s very interesting. Hi yes ofcourse . But I dont have a Scanner.
spolei Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 22 hours ago, v.Perlet said: Okay, ich verstehe, es ist kein Ritter, der von einem Staat verliehen wird, z. B. das Königreich Bayern vergibt einen MVO2KL (einschließlich Ritter) an Herrn so und so, sondern eine Institution wie z. B. der Malteserorden, die einen eigenen Orden verleiht (der einen Ritter sieht ) für jemanden. Danke Grüße Andreas Das stimmt so nicht ganz. Es gab in Bayern den Titel "Ritter von" entweder zum Orden der Bayerischen Krone oder zum Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden. Der Militärverdienstorden und auch der Michaelsorden beinhalteten keinen Adelstitel. Den Hubertus- und Georgsorden bekamen sowieso nur Adelige.
v.Perlet Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, spolei said: Das stimmt so nicht ganz. Es gab in Bayern den Titel "Ritter von" entweder zum Orden der Bayerischen Krone oder zum Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden. Der Militärverdienstorden und auch der Michaelsorden beinhalteten keinen Adelstitel. Den Hubertus- und Georgsorden bekamen sowieso nur Adelige. Das ist schon klar, aber z.b. im Falle (Vornamen weis ich nicht mehr) ein Freiherr von Reitzenstein hat einen Max-Joseph-orden erhalten - daher Ritter Freiherr von Reitzenstein. Als Freiherr ist er ja schon im Erbadel - der Ritter muss (je nach Orden) zwischen 2-3 mal innerhalb der Familienfolge verliehen werden um daraus den Erbadel beantragen zu koennen. Was aber in diesem Fall ja keinen Sinn ergibt da dieser Reitzenstein sich ja schon im Erbadel befindet. Also gehts wahrscheinlich um die Muecken die der Orden mit sich bringt - ich glaube das waren beim Max Orden so um die 20,000 Maerker. Habs gefunden - aber zu klein/undeutlich als dass ich Seinen Namen erkennen kann. War vor ca. 20 Jahren bei einer Hermann Historika Auktion. Gruss Andreas Edited February 11, 2022 by v.Perlet
spolei Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, v.Perlet said: lso gehts wahrscheinlich um die Mücken die der Orden mit sich bringt - ich glaube das waren beim Max Orden so um die 20.000 Märker. Gruss Andreas Da gab es einen monatlichen Ehrensold, aber nagele mich nicht fest, der war entweder 100 oder 150 Mark. Bei der Tapferkeitsmedaille waren es bei der Silbernen 5 und bei der Goldenen 10 Mark. 1
v.Perlet Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, spolei said: Da gab es einen monatlichen Ehrensold, aber nagele mich nicht fest, der war entweder 100 oder 150 Mark. Bei der Tapferkeitsmedaille waren es bei der Silbernen 5 und bei der Goldenen 10 Mark. ja stimmt - den noch obendrauf und Witwen und Waisen Zuschuss? Gruss Andreas
Deutschritter Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) Wilhelm Freiherr von Reitzenstein (1865--1935), Militär-Max-Joseph on 25 September 1914, here the "Ritter" made no difference and was not given as a title, because already Freiherr (Erbadel comes before Personaladel). But then we have the later Generalmajor Wilhelm Reitzenstein (1880--1941), Militär-Max-Joseph on 4 June 1915, now "Ritter von Reitzenstein" (Wappeneintrag: 6. Juli 1915). Edited February 11, 2022 by Deutschritter 1
Deruelle Posted February 12, 2022 Author Posted February 12, 2022 On 10/02/2022 at 16:49, v.Perlet said: Hello Deutschritter, i do not want to derail this thread - but since you forwarded the question, maybe you can help me on this one. If someone is already possessing a hereditary title, e.g. Freiherr then what is the point of awarding him a Ritter? - I had noticed this on others as well - e.g. a Freiherr von Reitzenstein being awarded a Ritter. - is it about the "price-money" that comes with it? Otherwise isn't that as if you would award an English Lord a Sir.? Regards Andreas Hi, Like I wrote in french (sorry it is from my database), he received the "Kreuz der Ehrenritter" Christophe 1
v.Perlet Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Deutschritter said: Wilhelm Freiherr von Reitzenstein (1865--1935), Militär-Max-Joseph on 25 September 1914, here the "Ritter" made no difference and was not given as a title, because already Freiherr (Erbadel comes before Personaladel). But then we have the later Generalmajor Wilhelm Reitzenstein (1880--1941), Militär-Max-Joseph on 4 June 1915, now "Ritter von Reitzenstein" (Wappeneintrag: 6. Juli 1915). Hello Deutschritter, in order not to derail the thread "PIM" I posted my reply under the MVO/MVK thread. Regards v.Perlet
v.Perlet Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 I am not so fit on PLM's - but I guess the one on his neck it is one. An officer from the Potsdam Guard MG Abteilung 1 Regards v.Perlet
dedehansen Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, v.Perlet said: I am not so fit on PLM's - but I guess the one on his neck it is one. An officer from the Potsdam Guard MG Abteilung 1 Regards v.Perlet Hi, he is an Johanniter-Ritter. Regards Andreas 2
Komtur Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 53 minutes ago, dedehansen said: Hi, he is an Johanniter-Ritter. Regards Andreas Graf Konrad Finck von Finckenstein 2
v.Perlet Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) Upss... sorry for that Hello Komtur - you bidding for that Album? Why is everyone here called Andreas?? Regards Andreas Edited February 12, 2022 by v.Perlet
ccj Posted February 13, 2022 Posted February 13, 2022 On 11/02/2022 at 07:00, Tupper said: Hi yes ofcourse . But I dont have a Scanner. I believe the man on the right is Generalleutnant Prinz Karl Anton von Hohenzollern
Tupper Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 02:12, ccj said: Yes he realy Looks Like him. Thx ?
Deutschritter Posted October 12 Posted October 12 On 11/01/2009 at 18:22, Deruelle said: General von Gronau Christophe Very nice picture, Christophe! Hans von Gronau
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