Jason Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 Almost forgot about this one boys. I have only rarely seen the non-combatnat Hungarian 1914-1918 medal, even less so mounted in groups. Is anyone else of the opinion these are rare or am I just by myself on this one?? cheers Jason
Stogieman Posted October 18, 2005 Author Posted October 18, 2005 I think mounted examples of the KVM are like the KVK w. no swords. Very, very hard to find!
Paul R Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 (edited) I think mounted examples of the KVM are like the KVK w. no swords. Very, very hard to find!Jason,Beautiful bars! I love that medic's bar(BTW, why does the Hindenburg Cross have swords?)!!Hi Rick.Why is the KVM medal so difficult to find on bars? I thought that it was the most common medal awarded!Best regardsPaul Edited October 18, 2005 by Paul Reck
Stogieman Posted October 18, 2005 Author Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Paul. Think about it for a moment..... tons of loose ones, tons more mint in the packets. But how many mounted bars have you seen with these non-combattant WW2 awards mounted up?
Mike Huxley Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 Rick, can you explain why the KVM is mounted on the combatant ribbon and not the non-combatant one, as on the one here. Just got me thinking!!!!
Jason Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Mike, I'll jump in on the ribbon question, its simply faded badly, the reverse of it is still reasonably bright. Due to the quality of my reduction its a bit hard to make it out properly, but its definitely a non combatant ribbon!cheers Jason
Stogieman Posted October 18, 2005 Author Posted October 18, 2005 The KVM I refer to is the '39 Medal to the KVK.... I would be surprised to find that the Hungarian Commemorative Medal for WW1 is mounted on the NC ribbon......... not impossible, just surprised if it is!
Mike Huxley Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 (edited) Hi Mike, I'll jump in on the ribbon question, its simply faded badly, the reverse of it is still reasonably bright. Due to the quality of my reduction its a bit hard to make it out properly, but its definitely a non combatant ribbon!cheers JasonHi Jason, my eyes must be getting clouded by looking at all these fantastic bars Now I've looked closer ..... and yes yours is the non-combatant ribbon. Nice one, thanks for sharing with us Edited October 18, 2005 by Mike Huxley
JensF. Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 (edited) If this guy was a doctor maybe the hungarian regulations for that medal considered him as "non-combatant" while in the regulations for the Hindenburg cross he was a combatant. I have the same problem with this medal bar. By the EK he was combatant, by the Braunschweig cross not... Edited October 18, 2005 by JensF.
Claudio Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 nice one Jens! Too keep the ball rolling I post my brother's completely non-combattant bar!Description:? Preussen, EK 2. Klasse 1914 am Nichtk?mpferband, nur ca. 13?000 Verleihungen! (OEK 1909) ? Preussen, Verdienstkrez f?r Kriegshilfe, 1916-24 (OEK 1966)? Preussen, Rote Kreuz Medaille, 2. Klasse (OEK 1871)? Preussen, Rote Kreuz Medaille, 3. Klasse (OEK 1872)? Oldenburg, Kriegsverdienstmedaille, 1917-1918 (OEK 1565)? Deutsches Reich, Ehrenkreuz f?r Kriegsteilnehmer (OEK 3803/2)? Preussen, Centenarmedaille 1897 (OEK 1965)@Jason: very nice bar you have... strange that the FAK 2. Kl. and the EK 2. Kl. aren't on non-combattant ribbons, too! But I guess since Germans weren't so precise as we might think, I think such miss-matched combinations of combattant and non-combattant medals on the same bar come up quite frequently. In Italian we say that "l'eccezione fa la regola"...Ciao,Claudio
Robin Lumsden Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 Not really an award, but.......well, you see what I mean. Wagner made in 750 silver.
Robin Lumsden Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 It's the other side of the goblet I like best, though.......
JensF. Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 (edited) Another non-combatants medal-bar. This time Baden. It is strange that four out of five awards are mounted reversed. Edited October 18, 2005 by JensF.
JensF. Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 (edited) Back: Edited October 18, 2005 by JensF.
Jason Posted October 18, 2005 Posted October 18, 2005 Jens, Claudio: great bars gents! Jens thats a really unusual combination on the Brunswick bar. Very appealing combo!!! cheers Jason
Tom Y Posted October 19, 2005 Posted October 19, 2005 It's the other side of the goblet I like best, though....... Robin, could you post some more scans of your goblet? Maybe it's the Grateful Dead connection, but I've got a thing for skulls too.
Daniel Murphy Posted October 19, 2005 Posted October 19, 2005 Gentlemen, I believe this qualifies, it is a Russian jeweler made Kulm Cross in silver. There are two maker marks which are almost microscopic and I have yet to be able to read them. Dan Murphy
Daniel Murphy Posted October 19, 2005 Posted October 19, 2005 (edited) The cross is approx 50mm. It was made using two handmade, hand engraved dies. The first pressed the center design into the silver sheet and the second formed the border. There are places where the "flame design is weakly present on the back concave side of the border. As you can see some of corners have different angles and one is rounded. Two of the arms are just slightly longer than the others as well. All signs of hand crafting the dies and the cross itself. Edited October 19, 2005 by Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy Posted October 19, 2005 Posted October 19, 2005 (edited) Here is the best photo I have been able to get of the markings. As you can see this is my avatar as well.Dan Murphy Edited October 19, 2005 by Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy Posted October 19, 2005 Posted October 19, 2005 You won't find many of these.Brian, Is that a Chinese route marker or border marker from the Boxer Rebellion? It looks to be made of Marble or something similar. AOK "Armee Oberkommando"?Dan Murphy
Bob Hunter Posted October 19, 2005 Posted October 19, 2005 In addition to some nifty non combatant bars, a very nice AOK chop.
don Posted October 19, 2005 Posted October 19, 2005 Not sure if this should go here .If the bird DID come with the cross how rare would it be? don
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