Oval silver merit medal, Hzg Carl Eduard, Cobourg Gotha

[pinpon590]

Hi gentlemen !

I need your help, I already possess this very nice medal :

Seems to be in silver, 52mm x 32,4mm / 27g.

Very hight level of details...

I recently purchase a second one :

50,1mm x 31,4mm / 19,3g

The engraving is blured, especially when you compare the two medals... Seems to be silvered metal, very lighter, in fact.

So what do you think about these two medals ? The second can be a 30's model ? Or a fake ?

Thank you for your help !

:cheers:

Edited May 17, 2011 by pinpon590

[dond]

Are those casting bubbles on the crown between the lions?

[pinpon590]

Hi !

Close up of the area between lions.

First medal :

Second medal :

(The zoom is pityless for the 2nd medal : she looks better than on this picture...)

[Daniel Cole]

I had one of these once and will posts pictures when I get home. I'm curious too. I would think it should be silver, I don't think mine was and mine didn't have a cut out crown. If I was a betting man, I'd think the one I had wasn't an issue piece, put a copy of some sort.

[Daniel Cole]

This is the one I had in my Richthofen bar. I have a better one at home of the single medal obverse and reverse.

[Daniel Cole]

Here's the one I had that I used on the medal bar. I always wondered about the line on the reverse at the top.

[Deruelle]

Hi JB,

To be honest with you, I have a doubt about the second CM2 you show there, not sure it is a wartime medal in silver. Mine is exactly like your first one you show on post #1.

Christophe

[pinpon590]

Hi !

For the second, I have no doubt : the medal is certainly not in silver. The first looks better, but is it a wartime medal, I don't know...

Thank you in your interrest !

:cheers:

[Christian J]

This is what I would expect from a 1930ies piece. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/32292-carl-eduard-medaille-in-1935/page__p__304312__hl__eduard__fromsearch__1#entry304312

[pinpon590]

Hi !

I have seen a jeweller today, and I have show the two medals :

- the first is in solid silver, between 950 and 990/1000...

- the second, as I tought, is made from silvered metal.

;)

[pinpon590]

This is the one I had in my Richthofen bar. I have a better one at home of the single medal obverse and reverse.

Do you really possess this bar :banger: What a beauty !

But, is it the good clasp on the oval Carl Eduard medal ?

I thought there was only the year of awarding, and a band with the date ?

This on the bar looks like a clasp for SEHO medal...

:cheers:

Edited May 19, 2011 by pinpon590

[Daniel Cole]

I built a replica of von Richthofens medal bar using original medals. I couldn't find the correct clasp for the SCG medal so I used that one. I later disassembled it and returned the medals to their original ribbons and sold them off for a new project I had in the works. Ultimately, finding the medals was the fun part not having the medal bar.

I couldn't repete the effort now because of cost.

[Deruelle]

Hi Daniel,

For my information, did you find a Bavarian military merit order 3rd class with swords or did you find a fourth class ?

Christophe

[palencia]

I believe that this one has a level of finished similar to the second one:

http://www.medal-medaille.com/sold/product_info.php?cPath=276&products_id=6606

[pinpon590]

I believe that this one has a level of finished similar to the second one:

http://www.medal-med...roducts_id=6606

That's my second medal. But because of very poor details, I have doubt on her...

:cheers:

[Daniel Cole]

Hi Daniel,

For my information, did you find a Bavarian military merit order 3rd class with swords or did you find a fourth class ?

Christophe

No I used the 4th class.

Edited May 20, 2011 by Daniel Cole

[graham]

Would value any opinions on this Saxe Coburg-Gotha Oval Duke Carl Eduard medal:

[1812 Overture]

16 hours ago, graham said:

Would value any opinions on this Saxe Coburg-Gotha Oval Duke Carl Eduard medal:

I especially like your medal, very beautiful, I hope that one day I can have one.

[graham]

1812 Overture,

Thanks for your comments. 

I have a few unanswered questions in regards to this medal and clasp. Firstly, I am not sure whether this medal is pre 1935 or not. Is does not have a silver hallmark on the rim, or the maker L.Chr. Lauer at the lower left of the Reverse of the medal. I believe that Paul Meybauer made some but I do not know whether he produced the silver version and I am unsure whether this is a Meybauer produced medal anyway. Any answers to these questions are most welcome.

Regards,

Graham

[1812 Overture]

Since I joined the forum, I have spent nearly a month to open the pictures in all the articles of the German Empire. I have saved them for reference. Me, "picture thief"

[CRBeery]

I only have this one. Crown fell off!

[ixhs]

Thats the version till March 1911

[VtwinVince]

Very nice, and a scarce case.

[saschaw]

Graham, I might be a bit late to the party, but... when Künker sold another part of the Peter Groch collection in autumn, there where five different examples of this medal offered. Might that be a helpful reference?

Even later to another party: Revisiting the whole thread, I'd suggest that Daniel Cole's example, shown May 18, 2011(!), is not and never was a Herzog-Carl-Eduard-Medaille, but rather the Ehrenzeichen für Heimatverdienst, which is an award on its own, with its own ribbon - but with no own design. There are some minor traces of the bronze toning left... the two medal bars shown by 1812 Overture compare these two awards most vividly!

Edited April 5, 2020 by saschaw

[graham]

saschaw,

Thanks. Would love to know your thoughts.