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Chris, Thanks for posting this image. His neck badge looks to be a Saudi Order of King Abdulaziz, commander grade [last ribbon on bar suggests same award].
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A true scholar and gentleman who shared his understanding on the widest and, in the 1980's especially, a non-political basis. Professor Petko Pavlov's personal knowledge and professional research attributes, his access to then sensitive archives and his ability to communicate clearly yielded extraordinary results which he freely communicated. Several personal meetings revealed his gracious and kind personality which further enhanced his impressive contributions.
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Question about the Order of Ismail/Nishan al-Ismail
922F replied to Rusty Greaves's topic in Middle East & Arab States
Rusty, The 'royal household' informs me that not only does King Faud II award both the Mohammed Ali and Ismail Orders but that HM instituted a new one class award for royal ladies called the Nishan el Noor [Order of Light] in 2017. An article published in JOMSA [Volume 68, Number 5--SEPTEMBER - OCTOBER 2017--pp. 43-44] details this new creation. Image below, copyright WORTH & used with that firm’s express permission for this note only, illustrates the insignia. To date, bestowals of all honors seem limited to family members, other royals and very close family collaborators. Further, a project for reinvigorating the Faud I Collar decoration may be underway. Implementing an Egyptian Crown Council concept [patterned on Ethiopian and Serbian models] apparently failed around late 2007-early 2008. As to the supposed Order touted by 'Crown Princess Laila Farouk and Grand Duke Lev Leznik' [out of Australia?] identified as the Farouk Family Order aka Egyptian Order of the Crown, an image of their star as manufactured follows below. A ‘Laila Farouk’ webpage explained her assertions to regal powers [including salacious details regarding her parentage and legitimation] but I cannot locate it at present. It seems that 4-7 years ago another Order styled the Royal Egyptian Order of the Crown with insignia based on the Nile Order--no image as yet--emerged. This may be the same as the Mohamed Ali Foundation award? Design elements include a five point white enamel star superimposed on a silver plaque. It may have a blue and yellow or blue and white ribbon. -
Thanks to ALL!! Especially Igor for this precious document!!
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Bulgaria FAKE BULGARIAN ORDERS ON THE MARKET
922F replied to Graf's topic in Central & Eastern European States
Any reverse marking? Center looks good. Swords of this type readily available & these not precisely aligned or contured....maybe an upgrade -
Safiye Hüseyin Elbi, a person of sterling integrity and outstanding accomplishment, certainly merited her awards. Several books and many articles discuss her personal history and contributions as a major influence on and developer of modern Turkish nursing. She is the only Turkish recipient of the ICRC Florence Nightingale Medal [seen next to her Order of Şefkat] known to me. She appears to wear a 1911 UK Coronation Medal next to her Nightingale Medal and a British Red Cross Society Balkan War Medal next to her Red Crescent Medal. She received a Spanish Republic Red Cross decoration neck badge as well. Demir, could you kindly comment on or confirm her awards?
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Question about the Order of Ismail/Nishan al-Ismail
922F replied to Rusty Greaves's topic in Middle East & Arab States
Most interesting Ismail ribbon in your post 27 example, Owain! Fahmy probably mentioned to you the difficulty in securing some materials and then importing them into Egypt, especially in 1940-44 and 1953-'59. He told me that ribbons and fittings like the metal swivels for attaching badges to sashes provided the most difficulty and that his staff developed work-arounds. I have maybe two Ismail neck badges with the same type cravat ribbon as yours. These appear to be of different than usual color hues, slightly narrower widths and tie strings lack the red stripe. This evidence may lead to establishing a contemporary 'type two' Ismail ribbon variety [as opposed to later 'close enough' ribbon replacements]. To date, I've seen no other ribbon widths in these hues. The 2nd class neck ribbon in Rusty's post 4 above seems different from both this type and the more usual one. Perhaps it represents yet another 'material scarcity' substitute or a 'close enough' replacement. -
Miniatures of the Middle East & Arab World
922F replied to oamotme's topic in Middle East & Arab States
Regarding use of wings and rosettes to indicate award grade, perhaps an Egyptian implementation regulation or other guidance exists to clearly define or regulate these marks. Protocole [1947, p. 96] provides only that rosettes shall not exceed a 1 cm. diameter and that only one, of the highest award, may be worn at the button-hole in street attire. However, Order of Ismail and Nile rosettes [at a minimum] exist in at least 7, 10 & 12 mm. diameter sizes As Owain notes, wings and rosettes differentiate between grades of awards in many instances. Exceptions do occur, such as addition of another type of device to suspension ribbons indicating degrees. Examples include the U.S. Legion of Merit or Presidential Medal of Freedom. As Owain suggests [because rosettes and wings seem to have originated in France], French seems the appropriate language to describe these distinctive class or rank indication marks. Donc, d'un vendeur de détail français, en français: Pour Chevalier : un ruban fin de 1 à 3 mm de large à coudre au niveau de la boutonnière (existe également en « prêt à fixer » appellé fixe-ruban qui est un ruban monté sur agrafe (longueur du ruban apparent : 1,5 cm). Il existe une version spéciale pour dame, il s’agit d’un nœud qui permet de le fixer sur tout vêtement. pour Officier : une Rosette de 6mm sur bouton ou pin qui se fixe au revers de veste au niveau de la boutonnière. pour Commandeur : une Rosette sur galon blanc pour Grand Officier : une Rosette sur galon blanc et or pour Grand Croix : une Rosette sur galon tout or Sizes for these appurtenances may be set by respective decoration description or statute but more often by practical usage or personal preference. Galon translates as braid. Usually galon blanc equates to silver braid and galon or to gold braid. Cheaper substitutes may be used as well. -
Based on ribbon arrangement and ribbon types, I'd opine a Carnival medal set
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Owain, These may well be copies---original details [hair, necklaces, awards] look more like your post 1 example in my experience. Do these offerings have a swivel suspension? Of the handful I've handled, most have swivel suspensions, well defined 'claws' and thin circumference rims. Compare with https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/baldwins/catalogue-id-srbal10013/lot-65390621-7009-49d7-a50b-a441017750b3 or http://www.royalark.net/Pakistan/bahawal9.htm. An example in the Bahawal Museum in 1987 had what appeared to be a 1911 Delhi Durbar medal type swivel suspension, however. Still if the price is right these might be useful as fillers...
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Big miniature bar
922F replied to Leuchtturm's topic in Great Britain: Orders, Gallantry, Campaign Medals
Great bar! Lacks just an Osmanie green enamel body beneath the crescent on the green/red ribbon. Attribution would be difficult if not impossible. -
Miniature Bar
922F replied to Leuchtturm's topic in Great Britain: Orders, Gallantry, Campaign Medals
Doubt that ID will be possible given the award span. Second award is a UK Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem, [Serving] Brother or Member's Badge. -
Emblem , star of the Order of Danilo I Montenegro
922F replied to Veljko's topic in Southern European & Balkan States
U.S. e#bay vendor shopbags lists such embroidered items for sale from time to time as noted above. White Eagle civil star now available; see item 232643283097. Most likely, simply souvenir pieces like the White Eagle or Karageorge badges attached to key rings. -
Emblem , star of the Order of Danilo I Montenegro
922F replied to Veljko's topic in Southern European & Balkan States
No reference [written, internet or museum/personal collection] that I've ever seen contains mention or examples of the insignia you illustrate. By statute, Order of Danilo motto ring color is blue rather than green as in your piece. This item looks rather new—may be useful to try a black light material test to help determine age. Pakistani embroidery firms supply this sort of insignia nowadays. Check e#ay item 231970346876 Montenegro Danilo Royal Order Merit Medal Orden Award Duklja Rascia Travunia for a similar item albeit with different details. The Madrid establishment Cejalvo [http://www.condecoracionescejalvo.es] and perhaps one Italian company [possibly Guccione of Roma?] manufacture the physical decorations currently presented by Nikola II Petrović-Njegoš, Crown Prince of Montenegro. These awards do not include insignia similar to your images. Websites/pages that formerly contained information on Prince Nikola’s Order and its insignia [Njegoskij.org, Grandchancelleryorderofdanilo.org and Orderofdanilo.org] ‘cannot be found’ or dead links. -
bilylev may be correct. White stripes do look too wide for White Lion--but do not appear to match Serb/Yugoslav White Eagle [and lack greyish hue] or Order pro Merito Melitensi either. Way too wide for Polonia Restituta. Not wide enough for Cuban Order of Merit and Honor [of the National Red Cross]... Issue--What award does ribbon in these proportions actually indicate if not one of the above?
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Three Romanian -- U.S. $30-$50, 2 U.S.A.-- U. S. $10-$20, Korean mini -- U.S. $15-$25, 3 Dutch Long Service -- U.S. $40-$60. More diligent research may reveal wider price ranges. No idea of Church Lads Brigade cross value.
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Group looks to represent Ehrenkreuz des Weltkriegs 1914/1918 [Hindenburg Cross], Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfe [Prussian Merit Cross for War Aid], Schlesischer Adler [Silesian Eagle], Turkish Iron Halfmoon/Crescent aka Gallipoli Star, Bulgarian Civil Merit Order, Dienstauszeichnung [Prussian Long Service Cross or Medal], Kaiser-Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille Zentenarmedaille [Prussian Centenary Medal] or Baden Silberne Verdienstmedaille {Thank you Andreas!}, Royal Victorian Order or Medal, Greek Order of the Redeemer and [most likely] Russian St Anne Order or Red Cross Medal. Several awards take a red with narrow yellow edge stripe ribbon including Brunswick's Henry the Lion Order but this ribbon bar arrangement makes that one unlikely. The miniatures on the bow would confirm Hindenburg Cross, Merit Cross, Silesian Eagle, Iron Halfmoon, and the Bulgarian suspension crown plus ribbon color yield a Bulgarian Civil Merit Order or Cross. This ensemble suggests military and civilian service.
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A visit to e#ay to verify values may be in order. Besides the 2 U.S. medals, the 3 red enamel stars are Romanian, the medals Dutch---and the bronze? cross {Church Lads Brigade} Commonwealth.