GlennC Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 On 8/9/2014 at 16:19, Peter J said: On 8/11/2014 at 01:17, Wild Card said: Gentlemen, Thank you all for your kind comments regarding my little St. Michael cross. Yes, it represents a knight’s 1st class cross, which, as Saschaw( ) points out, was awarded from 1837-1887. A full size cross is shown below. I agree with Beau Newman that at such times Jörg Nimmergut’s magnum opus can be very useful… but Saschaw’s warning of errors must be heeded. Aside from that, Iwould add that Georg Schreiber’s “Die Bayerischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen” (printed in 1964) is helpful. Thank you all again. Wild Card /orden/bayern2.html Early version in its original box, made by jeweler Edouard Quellhorst.
Beau Newman Posted May 5, 2016 Posted May 5, 2016 This arrived recently. It's interesting. It includes a rather rare Silver Medal of the Karl Friedrich Order named to "PAGENSTECHER", an enlisted award. It also has a 20 year Prussian Reserve Officer's Cross and a 1914 Iron Cross. Since it is a reverse mounting, the 2 Baden awards are both placed behind the Prussian awards. Unless this has been played with (always a possibility) it appears that the recipient served in a Baden unit in the Franco-Prussian War and served in the Prussian Army later in life into WWI. I looked for Pagenstechers in the 1914 Rank List and found a few. The only one that looked like a possibility was a Dr. Pagenstecher who was a medical officer in the Landwehr Inspectorate in Braunschweig. If anyone has the 1870/71 rolls for the Karl Friedrich Medal, I would be interested to see if a Pagenstecher appears.
CRBeery Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 So you're the one that out bid me! Glad it stayed in the club.
dedehansen Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 10 hours ago, Beau Newman said: This arrived recently. It's interesting. It includes a rather rare Silver Medal of the Karl Friedrich Order named to "PAGENSTECHER", an enlisted award. It also has a 20 year Prussian Reserve Officer's Cross and a 1914 Iron Cross. Since it is a reverse mounting, the 2 Baden awards are both placed behind the Prussian awards. Unless this has been played with (always a possibility) it appears that the recipient served in a Baden unit in the Franco-Prussian War and served in the Prussian Army later in life into WWI. I looked for Pagenstechers in the 1914 Rank List and found a few. The only one that looked like a possibility was a Dr. Pagenstecher who was a medical officer in the Landwehr Inspectorate in Braunschweig. If anyone has the 1870/71 rolls for the Karl Friedrich Medal, I would be interested to see if a Pagenstecher appears. Pagenstecher Vizefeldwebel im Leib Gren Rgt, silberne Medaille am 04.03.1871 in Anerkennung hervortretender Tapferkeit und ausgezeichneter Leistung während des weiteren Verlaufs des gegenwärtigen Krieges. Regards Andreas
Deruelle Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 Hi My first mini from Bulgaria Order of Bravery 4th class 2nd degree from 1912
Deruelle Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 Hi, Miniatures of Leutnant d. R Walter Dittrich. Christophe
oamotme Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Good morning from Riyadh, I have strayed from my comfort zone of Arabic awards and purchased what I believe to be an attractive set of late 19th century German (Prussian /German Empire) miniatures - no doubt a slippery slope. From my limited knowledge I would suggest that the group may be that of an enlisted man rather than an officer. Any thoughts? Kind regards, Owain
Beau Newman Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 It appears that he saw military service in the 1864 War with Denmark and the 1870 War with France. After that, he was likely a civil servant with a long career as the 1st 2 medals were primarily civil service type awards.
dedehansen Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Hi Owain, post 1912, as das königlich Preußische Verdienstkreuz in Silber was founded on January 27th 1912. Nice mini. Kind regards Andreas
oamotme Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Thanks Beau & Andreas, From my limited research this group then consists of: Prussia Merit Cross Prussia Merit Medal Prussia Army 12 year Service Medal 1870/1 Franco-Prussian War Medal 1864 War with Denmark medal 1897 Wilhelm I Centenary Medal Kind regards, Owain
larsb001 Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 3 miniatures/stickpins that recently came my way, among them both the land and navy air gunners badge!
jaba1914 Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 Imho both miniature are not from the period. The gilded badge makes no sence for me. Kind regards Alex
larsb001 Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Hi Alex, Point taken, but why do you have concerns (please elaborate a little), and why would the gilded badge make no sense - yes, it was never instituted, but as I understand things you do find period items beeing gilded? I understand some of these can be tricky, but if faked you'd normally see them in quite large quantities on eBay and similar sites, these I have not seen in many many years. Regards, Lars Edited August 9, 2016 by larsb001
jaba1914 Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 Because thre is no navy air gunnar badge. This is a mythos. Both badges are from the same design. If something doesn't comes up often, not makes it to an original. Kind regards Alex
larsb001 Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 OK, I understand there's no air gunners badge, this I already wrote, but that's one of the things you often see when talking miniatures, I understand they are from the same producer, this is obvious, but that doesn't make them not period. When I have them in my hands and compare them to other pins there's nothing telling me they are not period. So I believe we can agree in disagreeing. If anybody else would have any proof of these not beeing period I'd be happy to listen.
jaba1914 Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 If you have something that doesn't exist, how you call this? When do you thing was the gilded made? Are this minis made of silver? Kind regards Alex
larsb001 Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 2 hours ago, jaba1914 said: If you have something that doesn't exist, how you call this? A: An interesting variation, I have many examples in my collection! When do you thing was the gilded made? A: Seems to be an nice old fire gilding! Are this minis made of silver? A: No, and so what, a very large number of miniatures is not made of the same metal as the original! Remember, when speaking miniatures everything is possible! In respect of beeing period or not I would certainly buy an argument like "we know these were produced by xxx in the late 1970ies" or "the gilding is a shiny modern one never used during that period" or "these are some of the Hungarian fakes that can be had in large quantities on eBay" or similar! I would not buy an argument like "you have two made by the same producer" or "it's gilded and it should not be". But you are entitled to your opinion, you don't believe in them and that's it, I do ;o) Regards, Lars
CRBeery Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 2005 as found on post 95 of this thread and then today.
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