Bavaria What do you know about Bavarian MVOs and MVKs

waldo · March 26, 2022

Hello scottplan,

I do not like it. I wouldn't buy it.

Many greetings
Walter

scottplen · March 26, 2022

8 minutes ago, waldo said:

Hello scottplan,

I do not like it. I wouldn't buy it.

Many greetings
Walter

Thanks !

scottplen · March 29, 2022

Here is better picture .

waldo · March 30, 2022

Servus Scottplen,

I don't like it at all. Hemmerle-MVKs 1st Class Krone Swords always 
have multi-part front medallions made of gold. 
There were no silver-gilt medallions. These MVKs are made with 
absolute quality. Compare my picture in the post above.

Here are a few more examples of original Hemmerle medallions for 
this 1st Kr. X. Leser has one-piece front medallions made of gold, 
also of outstanding quality.

Many greetings

Walter

scottplen · March 30, 2022

I received it in a box lot of stuff so I did not pay much for it maybe $30 us .
Is a a total fake or post WW1 for Spange ?

waldo · March 30, 2022

I can't answer the question. The swords are very early though.

spolei · March 30, 2022

On 25/03/2022 at 00:37, scottplen said:

Goof or bad ?

Hello, that is postwar. Looks like Steinhauer&Lück or Deumer.

saschaw · August 4, 2022

On 09/02/2022 at 10:09, saschaw said:

This has been the nicest of two or three of this type that I had so far.

The nicest of the gilt type, to be accurate... six years ago, I had an early WW1 era cross in gold by Gebr. Hemmerle as well. It was produced from an old Hausinger or Elchinger made cross by adding crown and swords, and maybe the flames as well, in case this originally was a knight's cross 2nd class.

Authentic pieces of this rarity and quality are not often to be seen, which is a shame... because they're certainly fun!

Edited August 4, 2022 by saschaw

eos512 · January 10, 2023

Hi guys I have acquired this MVO 2nd class last month. There is a GEB.H 750 stamp on the lower arm and a 585 inside of the ring. Can anyone help to identify the circa date of this? Pre-WWI or WWI period? And anyone knows where to buy an original ribbon for this MVO 2nd class? Appreciate your help, thx

And I am also very interested in the hallmark on the ring (2nd picture). Anyone knows what kind of hallmark is it? Thanks

Edited January 10, 2023 by eos512

spolei · January 11, 2023

Hello, beautiful Hemmerle piece. It is an MVO with genuine gold medallions. The award period should be until the end of 1916, from then on silver-gilt pieces were officially issued. Of course, returned pieces may have been issued later. The MVO with swords should be from the war period. How is the band ring stamped on the inside?
Regards Andreas

eos512 · January 12, 2023

6 hours ago, spolei said:

Hello, beautiful Hemmerle piece. It is an MVO with genuine gold medallions. The award period should be until the end of 1916, from then on silver-gilt pieces were officially issued. Of course, returned pieces may have been issued later. The MVO with swords should be from the war period. How is the band ring stamped on the inside?
Regards Andreas

Thank you Andreas. It is stamped as "585". Correct me if i am wrong, it should be a genuine MVO2 in GOLD, right?

And do you know where I can buy a ribbon of this one?

Edited January 12, 2023 by eos512

spolei · January 12, 2023

Yes, this is a real golden MVO. Finding a single ribbon will be difficult. Maybe ask Marco Kögl, he collects Bavarians himself and has a lot of Bavarians in his shop.
http://mkoegl.de/
Greetings Andreas

eos512 · February 4, 2023

BTW Andreas do you know when and where will the new book on MVO from Sascha Zimmermann be available? Any news so far？Thanks

waldo · February 5, 2023

The book from Sascha Zimmermann is with the publisher 
and should be finished this year.

Many greetings

Edited February 5, 2023 by waldo

GdC26 · February 5, 2023

7 hours ago, waldo said:

The book from Sascha Zimmermann is with the publisher 
and should be finished this year.

Many greetings

Excellent, that will be an important addition to the field of phaleristics.

Kind regards,

Sandro

saschaw · September 1, 2023

Here's a knight's cross 2nd class, made by Adam Hausinger from Munich. Despite a total of more than 2,500 crosses without swords being awarded between 1866 and 1905, such crosses are quite hard to come by today. The explanation is rather simple: roughly 75% of these were returned and re-issued, altered or simply melted down, according to statistical works published by Bernd Döbel.

Edited September 1, 2023 by saschaw

Stogieman · September 1, 2023

Absolutely beautiful! Thanks for sharing this

VtwinVince · September 2, 2023

Echt Spitze!

larsb001 · August 15

Absolutely not my main area of collecting, but when this turned up on a local auction I couldn't resist.

It's a Knights cross 2nd class, it's Gold, but appears unmarked. It's in a Hemmerle case, at least marked so, so I assume it's a Hemmerle. But I would be happy if those in here with a good knowledge could add a few words in respect of period, maker etc or any problems with this piece?