House Order of Hohenzollern - info needed

[Daniel Krause]

Thanks Dave!

First name Carl, from GR 5.

Lots of greetings

Daniel

[Deruelle]

Hi Daniel

It's Christophe not Dave

Christophe

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Christophe, :-) SORRY!!! :-)

[Dave Danner]

I'd love to get a better quality version of this photo, but it's nice nonetheless. Note the double Bavarian ribbons, which are not correct, since he received a Military Merit Order 4th Class with Swords in 1914 and a 4th Class with Crown and Swords in 1918.

[Paul C]

Dave, do you know who it is?

[Dave Danner]

Generalleutnant Helwig Luz.

[Dave Danner]

Here is one you can remove from the HOH3X list.

Rohrbach, OLt.

He is included In Geile's Hohenzollern list based on his entry in the Reichswehr rank lists. He was in the 1920s rank lists as a OLt. (1.4.25 (85)) in the 14. (Bad.) Inf.Rgt. with the HOH3X, EK1 and VAs. In World War I, he was a Lt. in IR 169.

In Daniel's and Rick's Ernestine lists, there is an EH3bX for a Lt.d.R. Hellmuth Rohrbach in IR 169. Hellmuth Rohrbach was transferred from the reserve officers to the active officers of IR 169 on 6 March 1917. He is the officer in the Reichswehr 14.IR. The HOH3X was a mistake:

Regards,

Dave

[Guest Rick Research]

Doesn't get any better documented than that! Thanks Dave!

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Dave, good stuff!!! THanks a lot!!

Greetings

Daniel

[Dave Danner]

You're welcome Daniel!

Here is another possibility. In Geile there is listed a Maj.d.L. Bender whose HOH3X was gazetted on 18.9.17. The only Maj.d.L. Bender I know of is Waldemar Bender, Hptm.d.Gd.L. 1.Aufg. (Marienburg) des GdFußAR. He was given the Charakter of Maj.d.Gd.L. on 18.6.15, and was at the time Führer of a heavy howitzer batterie (schwere Feldhaubitze-Batterie) of the Gouvernment Königsberg in Tilsit. Born 12.2.1870 in Elbing, he was a Gutsbesitzer auf Klein Stoboy bei Elbing, and was killed by the Soviets in March 1945 there.

Here is a crop of a picture from his silver wedding anniversary in 1923. I know the photo is grainy, but does this look like it could be confirmation of the HOH3X?

Sources: MWB, 1914RL, http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/47140513/person/6733923095

Regards,

Dave

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Dave,

looks good!!!

Lots of greetings

Daniel

[webr55]

Has this one been posted yet?

From the regimental history of FAR 46 ("Gedenkblatt des Nieders. Feldartillerie-Regiments Nr. 46 vom 2. August 1914 bis 5. Dezember 1918"):

[webr55]

By the way, the FAR 46 regimental history has a complete list of all its members who received

EK 1

BrKVK 1

BrKVK 2

EK 2

and others, like Meck-Strelitz 1, Old FAR 1, Meck-Schwerin 1, Bulgarische VM, Baden VM ...

[webr55]

Oh - and more: it seems they supply complete lists of their officers' decorations:

[Guest Rick Research]

THAT'S what makes Research Gnomes happy!!!!!!

[Daniel Krause]

GREAT!!! Thanks a lot!!!!!

Greetings

Daniel

[Paul C]

Nice find.

Edited September 6, 2013 by Paul C

[Chris Boonzaier]

here is one to >Lt d. Landwehr Lichtenberg of Feldartillerie Regiment Nr. 4

[Chris Boonzaier]

2

[Streptile]

Great document Chris.

Here are two of mine -- Wagner (first photo) and Godet.

[Dave Danner]

For what it's worth, the guy who signed Lichtenberg's Wound Badge document, Henning von Vieregge, also had the HOH3X

[Daniel Krause]

@Chris - thanks a lot!!!

@Trevor - nice pair!!! The Wagner is a golden one? Quite rare!!!

Lots of greetings

Daniel

[Streptile]

Hi Daniel,

Nice to see you here. Yes, the Wagner is a gold piece (also the Godet ).

[Odulf]

An unidentified Leutenant - I cannot make out the device on his shoulderboard

[David M]

is it a winged wheel of some sort?