House Order of Hohenzollern - info needed

[Paul C]

Bernd, Here is your guy for post #48

Stuhlmann, Eugen, H FAR 63, OTLaD RFAR 35,

RAO4X, KO4X, HOH3X, EK2, SWA Waterb Omaheke Gr.Nama Auob, Cent, BMV4X, HH, ?M3K

[webr55]

I think this ribbon bar belonged to one officer who probably died during WW1, because there is no LS medal. Rick can probably help you to identify this ribbon bar.

Christophe

It could also be a wartime bar. Prussian 1914 Hauptmann combination with BMV4X - if the ribbon is correctly used - as a prewar award for Southwest Africa.

[webr55]

Paul C said:

Bernd, Here is your guy for post #48

Stuhlmann, Eugen, H FAR 63, OTLaD RFAR 35,

RAO4X, KO4X, HOH3X, EK2, SWA Waterb Omaheke Gr.Nama Auob, Cent, BMV4X, HH, ?M3K

Paul was faster! And this was Stuhlmann's earlier bar. Anyone here got it?

 

Edited August 7, 2021 by webr55

[Bernd D]

Yes, it is Eugen Stuhlmann. It is a WWI bar without long service cross. He got LS in 1920 for 1915 but did not wear it on his bars. The BMV4x was for GSWA, so it is the correct ribbon.

Bernd

[Stijn David]

Hello,

And here is a part from a portrait picture, iff wanted i can ask the owner (a good friend) iff he will allow to use the picture for your book or whatever project it is

Hehehe, and who is behind this nice medalbar

Cordial greetings,

[Daniel Krause]

@ Stijn David: loovely bar, I would like to see a whole pic of that guy.

@ Bernd: sch??n!!! Stuhlmanns gro?e Spange war vor vielen Jahren bei Graf Klenau zu haben.

Best regards

Daniel

[artofwar]

Here is a copy of my document

to Walter Engelbrecht

Kommandeur II Batallon 2. Matrosenregiment, 9 Oct 1918

Bob

[David M]

A bit blurry/.....I know his HHOX is 2nd in row. Anyone who knows me, knows who this is , but never the less:

Laufbahn der k?niglich preussischer Major, pers?nlicher Adjudant und Kabinettschef des Kronprinzen

Louis Alfred Carl Oscar M?ldner von M?lnheim

Diensteintritt 03.1896, Oberj?ger, 18.10.1896 F?hnrich, 20.7.1897 Seconde-Leutenant im J?ger Bataillon (westf?lisches) Nr. 7 (Garnison: B?ckeburg), 11.9.1907 Oberleutnant im 4. Garde-Regiment zu Fu? (Ganison: Berlin), 20.7.1912 Hauptmann und Adjutant der 4. Garde-Infanterie-Brigade (Kaiser Franz Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr 2., K?nigin Augusta Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr 4, Garde Landwehr-Regiment 2 und 4), 1914-1918 erster Weltkrieg, 21.-22.8.1914 Schlacht bei Auvelais a.d. Sambre, 28.-31.8.1914 Schlacht bei St. Quentin, insbesondere bei La Val?e, 25.12.1914 Kompagnie-Chef in neuzubildende Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 261 (D?beritz), Winterschlacht in Masurien, Verfolgung bis zum Bobr,22.2.1915 ?bernahme einer Bataillon, Stellungskampfen bei Augustowo und Kalwarja, Angriffsk?mpfen an der Schlawanta und um Kowno, 25.9.1915 Versetzung im Generalstab und gleichzeitige Kommandierung zum AOK 5, 27.3.1916 Versetzung im Generalstab der Armee, 4.5.1916 pers?nlicher Adjutant SKKH Wilhelm, Kronprinz von Preu?en und des Deutschen Reiches a.d. Westfront, 27.1.1917 Major, 26.11.1918 ausser Dienst, 1918-1923 (nach den Kriegsende) pers?nlicher Begleiter des deutschen Kronprinzen, 1924-1926 pers?nlicher Adjudant Seiner Kaiserliche Hoheit des Kronprinzen, 1926 bis 1945 Pers?nlicher Referent der Generalverwaltung des vormals regierenden preu?ischen K?nigshauses, ab 1941 Chef der Hofverwaltung Seiner Kaiserliche Hoheit des Kronprinzen und Kabinettchef SKH als Haupt des Hauses Brandenburg-Preu?en und Haupt der Hofhaltung Brandenburg-Preu?en.

Eiserne Kreuz I. Klasse (K?nigreich Preussen) (19.7.1915), Eisernes Kreuzes II. Klasse (K?nigreich Preussen) (13.9.1914), Zentenarmedaille (K?nigreich Preussen) (27.3.1897), Kronenorden IV. Klasse (K?nigreich Preussen), Ritter der hohenzollnerischen Hausorden mit dem Schwertern (K?nigreich Preussen) (25.5.1918), Comthurkreuz der hohenzollernischen Hausorden mit dem Schwertern (Nachkriegszeit), Ritter der Albrecht Orden I. Klasse mit dem Schwertern (K?nigreich Sachsen), Ritter der Orden vom Z?hringer L?wen II. Klasse mit Schwerten und Eichenlaub (Grossherzogtum Baden) (10.1.1918), Kriegsverdienstkreuz (Herzogtum Braunschweig), Ritter IV. Klasse der Hausorden des Ehrenkreuzes (F?rstentum Schaumburg-Lippe), Ehrenkreuz III. Klasse (F?rstentumer Reuss), Kriegsverdienstkreuz (F?rstentum Lippe-Detmold), Hanseatenkreuz (Hamburg), Hanseatenkreuz (L?beck), Ehrendenkm?nze erster Weltkrieg,

Edited September 2, 2007 by David M

[Wild Card]

Can little guys come to this party?

[Wild Card]

Maybe if they bring their big sister?

[Wild Card]

Reverse.

[Wild Card]

And the mark.

[artofwar]

Here is a copy of my document

to Walter Engelbrecht

Kommandeur II Batallon 2. Matrosenregiment, 9 Oct 1918

Bob

[Red Eagle]

@Wild Card:

Have your star a mark like this?

Red

[Wild Card]

Hi Red Eagle,

I apologize for this late response, but I had sent my star back to where it lives (not here at home) by the time I saw your question. Since I got it back here, I have been trying to get a picture like yours but just can not seem to get a clear one.

Looking at my piece, one could say that it may, and I emphasize may, have one horizontal line like yours. Interestingly, it does have what appears to be a ?4? on the inside of the pin (see below)... No we won't see below - for some reason, I can't get the picture to attach.

I welcome any comments on all of this; and again apologize for this late response.

Best wishes,

Wild Card

[Komtur]

... appears to be a "4" on the inside of the pin ...

Hi Wild Card, Hi Red Eagle,

the star I can add here seem to have a latin "4". Therefore I interpret the mark Red Eagle shows as a latin "2". But I have to send the pic later - the same problem, I am not able to atach it.

Greetings, Komtur.

Edited September 9, 2007 by Komtur

[Red Eagle]

My star dont have an additional number.

Red

[Komtur]

My star dont have an additional number.

Red

I don?t mean that there is an additional number, I believe the "II" to be seen on your star could be a latin 2, because as I can show now (at least I hope so) there is a "IV" on the pin of the pic below.

With regards, Komtur.

[Dueppel]

Hello,

these roman numberals you can often find on Prussian breast start. Usually the pin, the corpus, the medaillon in the centre and sometimes the ring around the medaillon are signed with the same roman numeral.

Probably these marks were made for the differentiation of parts of different stars, while producing small series.

Best regards

Dueppel

[Red Eagle]

You are right, but on my star, I can only find one "II"-mark.

Red

[Komtur]

Hello,

these roman numberals you can often find on Prussian breast start. Usually the pin, the corpus, the medaillon in the centre and sometimes the ring around the medaillon are signed with the same roman numeral.

Probably these marks were made for the differentiation of parts of different stars, while producing small series.

Best regards

Dueppel

In that case it is interestingly a "VI" and a "IV" (as I hope it is to be seen on the pic).

With regards, Komtur.

[medalnet]

Hello,

these roman numberals you can often find on Prussian breast start. Usually the pin, the corpus, the medaillon in the centre and sometimes the ring around the medaillon are signed with the same roman numeral.

Probably these marks were made for the differentiation of parts of different stars, while producing small series.

Best regards

Dueppel

This statement is correct. Almost all decorations were made in a batch process and needed indentification on which parts matched together. You will find those makrings not only on Prussian orders, but on a variety of state orders and decorations.

[Komtur]

Could save this pic from Ebay before it was gone with the wind

Verleihung vom 27. Juli 1917 an Hauptmann Fritz Vieth vom IR 139 (?)

With regards, Komtur.

[Guest Rick Research]

Looks like IR 459 to me-- but there were TWO Vieths this could have been, an infantry and a J?ger officer, so don't know which one had this first name. (Wretched Prussian lists! )

[Glenn J]

Rick, Komtur,

Fritz Vieth was the former 3. Lothringisches Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 135 Vieth (Hptm 1.10.13 B50b) and still in that rank in the 1919 Dienstaltersliste. Magdeburgisches J?ger-Bataillon Nr. 4 Leutnant Vieth was promoted to Oberleutnant with a Patent of 27.1.15 J52i and was still in that rank in the 1919 Dienstaltersliste.

Regards

Glenn