Paul C Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Bernd, Here is your guy for post #48Stuhlmann, Eugen, H FAR 63, OTLaD RFAR 35, RAO4X, KO4X, HOH3X, EK2, SWA Waterb Omaheke Gr.Nama Auob, Cent, BMV4X, HH, ?M3K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 I think this ribbon bar belonged to one officer who probably died during WW1, because there is no LS medal. Rick can probably help you to identify this ribbon bar.ChristopheIt could also be a wartime bar. Prussian 1914 Hauptmann combination with BMV4X - if the ribbon is correctly used - as a prewar award for Southwest Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) Paul C said: Bernd, Here is your guy for post #48 Stuhlmann, Eugen, H FAR 63, OTLaD RFAR 35, RAO4X, KO4X, HOH3X, EK2, SWA Waterb Omaheke Gr.Nama Auob, Cent, BMV4X, HH, ?M3K Paul was faster! And this was Stuhlmann's earlier bar. Anyone here got it? Edited August 7, 2021 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd D Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Yes, it is Eugen Stuhlmann. It is a WWI bar without long service cross. He got LS in 1920 for 1915 but did not wear it on his bars. The BMV4x was for GSWA, so it is the correct ribbon.Bernd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Hello, And here is a part from a portrait picture, iff wanted i can ask the owner (a good friend) iff he will allow to use the picture for your book or whatever project it is Hehehe, and who is behind this nice medalbar Cordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 @ Stijn David: loovely bar, I would like to see a whole pic of that guy.@ Bernd: sch??n!!! Stuhlmanns gro?e Spange war vor vielen Jahren bei Graf Klenau zu haben.Best regardsDaniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artofwar Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Here is a copy of my documentto Walter EngelbrechtKommandeur II Batallon 2. Matrosenregiment, 9 Oct 1918Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 (edited) A bit blurry/.....I know his HHOX is 2nd in row. Anyone who knows me, knows who this is , but never the less:Laufbahn der k?niglich preussischer Major, pers?nlicher Adjudant und Kabinettschef des KronprinzenLouis Alfred Carl Oscar M?ldner von M?lnheimDiensteintritt 03.1896, Oberj?ger, 18.10.1896 F?hnrich, 20.7.1897 Seconde-Leutenant im J?ger Bataillon (westf?lisches) Nr. 7 (Garnison: B?ckeburg), 11.9.1907 Oberleutnant im 4. Garde-Regiment zu Fu? (Ganison: Berlin), 20.7.1912 Hauptmann und Adjutant der 4. Garde-Infanterie-Brigade (Kaiser Franz Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr 2., K?nigin Augusta Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr 4, Garde Landwehr-Regiment 2 und 4), 1914-1918 erster Weltkrieg, 21.-22.8.1914 Schlacht bei Auvelais a.d. Sambre, 28.-31.8.1914 Schlacht bei St. Quentin, insbesondere bei La Val?e, 25.12.1914 Kompagnie-Chef in neuzubildende Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 261 (D?beritz), Winterschlacht in Masurien, Verfolgung bis zum Bobr,22.2.1915 ?bernahme einer Bataillon, Stellungskampfen bei Augustowo und Kalwarja, Angriffsk?mpfen an der Schlawanta und um Kowno, 25.9.1915 Versetzung im Generalstab und gleichzeitige Kommandierung zum AOK 5, 27.3.1916 Versetzung im Generalstab der Armee, 4.5.1916 pers?nlicher Adjutant SKKH Wilhelm, Kronprinz von Preu?en und des Deutschen Reiches a.d. Westfront, 27.1.1917 Major, 26.11.1918 ausser Dienst, 1918-1923 (nach den Kriegsende) pers?nlicher Begleiter des deutschen Kronprinzen, 1924-1926 pers?nlicher Adjudant Seiner Kaiserliche Hoheit des Kronprinzen, 1926 bis 1945 Pers?nlicher Referent der Generalverwaltung des vormals regierenden preu?ischen K?nigshauses, ab 1941 Chef der Hofverwaltung Seiner Kaiserliche Hoheit des Kronprinzen und Kabinettchef SKH als Haupt des Hauses Brandenburg-Preu?en und Haupt der Hofhaltung Brandenburg-Preu?en. Eiserne Kreuz I. Klasse (K?nigreich Preussen) (19.7.1915), Eisernes Kreuzes II. Klasse (K?nigreich Preussen) (13.9.1914), Zentenarmedaille (K?nigreich Preussen) (27.3.1897), Kronenorden IV. Klasse (K?nigreich Preussen), Ritter der hohenzollnerischen Hausorden mit dem Schwertern (K?nigreich Preussen) (25.5.1918), Comthurkreuz der hohenzollernischen Hausorden mit dem Schwertern (Nachkriegszeit), Ritter der Albrecht Orden I. Klasse mit dem Schwertern (K?nigreich Sachsen), Ritter der Orden vom Z?hringer L?wen II. Klasse mit Schwerten und Eichenlaub (Grossherzogtum Baden) (10.1.1918), Kriegsverdienstkreuz (Herzogtum Braunschweig), Ritter IV. Klasse der Hausorden des Ehrenkreuzes (F?rstentum Schaumburg-Lippe), Ehrenkreuz III. Klasse (F?rstentumer Reuss), Kriegsverdienstkreuz (F?rstentum Lippe-Detmold), Hanseatenkreuz (Hamburg), Hanseatenkreuz (L?beck), Ehrendenkm?nze erster Weltkrieg, Edited September 2, 2007 by David M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Can little guys come to this party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Maybe if they bring their big sister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 And the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artofwar Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Here is a copy of my documentto Walter EngelbrechtKommandeur II Batallon 2. Matrosenregiment, 9 Oct 1918Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 @Wild Card:Have your star a mark like this?Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hi Red Eagle,I apologize for this late response, but I had sent my star back to where it lives (not here at home) by the time I saw your question. Since I got it back here, I have been trying to get a picture like yours but just can not seem to get a clear one.Looking at my piece, one could say that it may, and I emphasize may, have one horizontal line like yours. Interestingly, it does have what appears to be a ?4? on the inside of the pin (see below)... No we won't see below - for some reason, I can't get the picture to attach. I welcome any comments on all of this; and again apologize for this late response.Best wishes,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 (edited) ... appears to be a "4" on the inside of the pin ...Hi Wild Card, Hi Red Eagle,the star I can add here seem to have a latin "4". Therefore I interpret the mark Red Eagle shows as a latin "2". But I have to send the pic later - the same problem, I am not able to atach it.Greetings, Komtur. Edited September 9, 2007 by Komtur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 My star dont have an additional number.Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 My star dont have an additional number.RedI don?t mean that there is an additional number, I believe the "II" to be seen on your star could be a latin 2, because as I can show now (at least I hope so) there is a "IV" on the pin of the pic below.With regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dueppel Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hello,these roman numberals you can often find on Prussian breast start. Usually the pin, the corpus, the medaillon in the centre and sometimes the ring around the medaillon are signed with the same roman numeral. Probably these marks were made for the differentiation of parts of different stars, while producing small series.Best regards Dueppel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 You are right, but on my star, I can only find one "II"-mark.Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hello,these roman numberals you can often find on Prussian breast start. Usually the pin, the corpus, the medaillon in the centre and sometimes the ring around the medaillon are signed with the same roman numeral. Probably these marks were made for the differentiation of parts of different stars, while producing small series.Best regards DueppelIn that case it is interestingly a "VI" and a "IV" (as I hope it is to be seen on the pic).With regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hello,these roman numberals you can often find on Prussian breast start. Usually the pin, the corpus, the medaillon in the centre and sometimes the ring around the medaillon are signed with the same roman numeral. Probably these marks were made for the differentiation of parts of different stars, while producing small series.Best regards DueppelThis statement is correct. Almost all decorations were made in a batch process and needed indentification on which parts matched together. You will find those makrings not only on Prussian orders, but on a variety of state orders and decorations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Could save this pic from Ebay before it was gone with the wind Verleihung vom 27. Juli 1917 an Hauptmann Fritz Vieth vom IR 139 (?)With regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Looks like IR 459 to me-- but there were TWO Vieths this could have been, an infantry and a J?ger officer, so don't know which one had this first name. (Wretched Prussian lists! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Rick, Komtur,Fritz Vieth was the former 3. Lothringisches Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 135 Vieth (Hptm 1.10.13 B50b) and still in that rank in the 1919 Dienstaltersliste. Magdeburgisches J?ger-Bataillon Nr. 4 Leutnant Vieth was promoted to Oberleutnant with a Patent of 27.1.15 J52i and was still in that rank in the 1919 Dienstaltersliste.RegardsGlenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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