House Order of Hohenzollern - info needed

[alan_g]

Hi,

Here are two bars to share with you which fit the topic of discussion. One with the Princely Hohenzollern House Order, and the other with HOH3x.

Bar 1:

Iron Cross 2nd Class 1914-18

Princely Hohenzollern House Order

Mecklenburg Schwerin militarverdienst

West Afrika Medal

Swedish order of the crown? (Swords striking down over, non-combatant?) Brunswick KVK?

Prussian Kronenorden

Red Eagle Order

Bar 2: Possible row 1 of 2?

Iron Cross 1914-18 + 1939 2nd class

HOH3x

Sachsen Altenburg Herzog Ernst Medaille OR Prussian Verdienstkreuz Gold?

Friedrich August Medal with the Vor Dem Feinde Clasp.

Mecklenburg Schwerin militarverdienst

Honour Cross

Any help putting a name and a history to these two bars would be much appreciated

Best Regards

Alan

[Odulf]

I wonder if that's really a Hohenzollern in the photo. The ribbon under the crown device doesn't look black.

You could have a point there, but what other ribbons bear a crown with crossed swords?

[alan_g]

You could have a point there, but what other ribbons bear a crown with crossed swords?

Kingdom of Saxony, Albrechts Orden Ritterkreuz possibly?

[Odulf]

Thanks for your input here Alan!

I cannot find in my books that the crown and swords device was worn on the ribbon of the Albrechtsorden.... (but most books are very obscure about ribbons and ribbon bars) can you guide me here?

[alan_g]

Here is a photo. image credit '>

[Odulf]

Thanks Alan, I know what the badge of the Albrechtsorden looks like, but I was referring to the device on the ribbon bar.

[webr55]

You could have a point there, but what other ribbons bear a crown with crossed swords?

There are a number of possibilities, such as:

Albrechtsorden

Ernestiner Hausorden

Bavarian Military Merit Order

[IR 134]

(Prussian) Oberst Caesar

[IR 134]

Eberhard Fischer

 

 

 

[Chip]

I'm sure you already have a copy of this photo, as it was widely distributed, but here is an autographed copy from my collection. It's from a photo album of a former member of Jasta 40, whose final commander was Carl Degelow. As far as I know he was the last person to ever win the military Pour le Merite.

Chip

[Daniel Krause]

Thank you all for the new info and pics!

Lots of greetings

Daniel

[Chris Boonzaier]

Here is a really nice one ;-)

 

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/65121-machine-gunner-sharpshooter-award/?p=613270

[Streptile]

Have the statutes for the Hohenzollern House Order ever been collected and published in English?

I have the great Hamelman book Of Red Eagles and Royal Crowns, which is the translated statutes of the Red Eagle Order and the Crown Order. Has anyone ever done a similar book on the Hohenzollern House Order?

Thank you in advance for any help.

[Deruelle]

Another officer with HHO3X

 

Christophe

[Stogieman]

here's a gold Hohenzollern

[Chris Boonzaier]

2 hours ago, Stogieman said:

here's a gold Hohenzollern

OMG, that is kick ass in a high degree!

[Ingo]

I´m searching for the award dates of Hauptmann Walther Jungnickel. Perhaps someone can help ?

[arb]

Ingo,

According to Erhard Roth's work, he was awarded the PHOvH3mSchw on 19.10.1918.

Andy

[Ingo]

Hello Andy,

many thanks. This is all, what is known to me. But what was his unit ?

[arb]

Ingo,

 

He was a Saxon officer in Gren. R. 101 when the war began.  In the 1914 Saxon Rangliste you will find him at the Unteroffizier Vorschule (he transferred to GR 101 around March 1914).  He was promoted Major in 1918.

 

Andy

[Ingo]

The promotion to Major was on 18.05.1918. Is this correct ?

When he was awarded with the Hohenzollern on 19.10.1918 as an Hauptmann, so the date of action must be in spring 1918.

[IR 134]

Jungnickel was in GR 101 the whole war. The action for his HoH-Awarding happened during the Gr0ße Schlacht in Frankreich at the end of march 1918. At that time he was a battallion cdr. in above regiment.

PS: sent you a message.

Gruß Stefan

[lilnuke]

MAJ Christian Gr zu Rantzau

[Stogieman]

Now THAT's an interesting medal bar!

 

[Streptile]

On 2/13/2016 at 22:45, Stogieman said:

here's a gold Hohenzollern

Very interesting piece. That is a highly unusual type to see in gold (in fact I've never seen one). Can you please share the weight?